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Moonbeam

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Let me introduce you to the summary of this thread

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Why? This thread is jammed packed with rationalizations bigots will use to so as to see their own bigotry a lack of which understands makes it impossible to see the possibility of any cure. Think of how much value there would be if you could find a way to help the blind see.

Surely you know that behind many stereotypes there is some sort of truth that makes them easy to perpetuate. Take the problem of creating citizens of people who have been shown to be out to get you. Look at Israel and the Palestinians and why each may wish the other's extinction. It is self evident that each is out to do in the other. Simple minds can grasp simple facts. What nobody wants to look at is how we create what we fear. If you can't credit the notion that we are all the same you will not trust any but your own tribe. You will focus your attention on the destruction of anything and anyone different. This is extremely difficult to do in India where there are differing religions practically block by block. Hindu attempts to limit the rights of Muslims just create more Muslim hatred of the Indian state. Bigots just can't see that the most dangerous thing for a bigot is his or her own bigotry. And nobody likes being told they are themselves the real enemy.

We are all the same so there is hope.
 
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If you can't credit the notion that we are all the same you will not trust any but your own tribe.
Very true. I've found great friendship in people of all colors and races. It just depends on how friendly the other person is (because my awkward attempts at being friendly do more damage to me than good so I have the best experiences when someone else initiates the friendship ritual with me in real life).

Take the example of Israelis and Palestinians. If instead of the infinite cycle of killing each other, they had a weekly banquet where common people from both sides sat down and had dinner with each other, in time their animosities would've melted away, replaced with familiarity and the realization that the enemy is the same as us, made of flesh, blood and feelings. If not friends, they could've at least become frenemies which would still be a huge improvement.
 

Braznor

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Gee, he disappeared.
Unlike you guys, I have a life outside these forums.

Let me ask you again, do you have any idea of the level of injustice that has been meted out to the minorities of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan?

These people suffer like nothing you have known. They can be lynched at the drop of the hat on false charges of blasphemy. Their girls and women are kidnapped and married off to old men on a daily basis. They are persecuted to the worst possible extent. I have never seen any one of you guys make a mere mention of their persecution or even acknowledged the sufferings they face in their daily lives even once here in this wretched place called P&N.

What the CAA does is identify these persecuted groups of people and offer these poor, desperate people a home in India, the place of their last refuge. Believe me, they do not flee here out of their own choice, but do so out of utmost desperation abandoning everything they own back in their former homes.

To disingenuously claim this as discrimination against Muslims is chicanery of the worst sort. Is affirmative action in your country or caste based reservations in my country discrimination? It is highly hypocritical of you to claim the CAA is discriminative while you are pretty fine with the aforesaid forms of discrimination I had mentioned earlier so long it suits your agenda.

All this just confirms the level of your hypocrisy.
 

IronWing

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To disingenuously claim this as discrimination against Muslims is chicanery of the worst sort. Is affirmative action in your country or caste based reservations in my country discrimination? It is highly hypocritical of you to claim the CAA is discriminative while you are pretty fine with the aforesaid forms of discrimination I had mentioned earlier so long it suits your agenda.

All this just confirms the level of your hypocrisy.
Of course the CAA is discriminatory against Muslims. If you're okay with discriminating against Muslims, just say so and move on. Your whining that it isn't discrimination is pathetic.

Affirmative action is specifically not discriminatory, despite what rightwing pundits like to claim. The law requires employers look at race to determine if hiring practices are racially discriminatory and to correct them if they are.
 

WelshBloke

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This such a weird level of cognitive dissonance. He says no religious discrimination is going on and then when the religious discrimination is explicitly pointed out to him he says ‘yeah but that’s good’, and then goes back to claiming it doesn’t exist again.

Not sure if the guy is a moron, a victim of propaganda, lying, or some mix of the three.
It is really odd. He can clearly read, and I assume that he knows the definition of "discrimination" because, as you say, he sometimes sees that it occurs.
I get the impression that the actual argument he's having is with other people elsewhere as well and that's bleeding over into here. It's like he's lumped everyone in that disagrees with him about anything and assumes that they are all arguing the same thing.
 

fskimospy

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Unlike you guys, I have a life outside these forums.

Let me ask you again, do you have any idea of the level of injustice that has been meted out to the minorities of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan?

These people suffer like nothing you have known. They can be lynched at the drop of the hat on false charges of blasphemy. Their girls and women are kidnapped and married off to old men on a daily basis. They are persecuted to the worst possible extent. I have never seen any one of you guys make a mere mention of their persecution or even acknowledged the sufferings they face in their daily lives even once here in this wretched place called P&N.

What the CAA does is identify these persecuted groups of people and offer these poor, desperate people a home in India, the place of their last refuge. Believe me, they do not flee here out of their own choice, but do so out of utmost desperation abandoning everything they own back in their former homes.

To disingenuously claim this as discrimination against Muslims is chicanery of the worst sort. Is affirmative action in your country or caste based reservations in my country discrimination? It is highly hypocritical of you to claim the CAA is discriminative while you are pretty fine with the aforesaid forms of discrimination I had mentioned earlier so long it suits your agenda.

All this just confirms the level of your hypocrisy.
If two individuals, one Sikh and one Muslim, face identical persecution the Sikh can enter India under the CAA.

Can the Muslim?
 

fskimospy

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It is really odd. He can clearly read, and I assume that he knows the definition of "discrimination" because, as you say, he sometimes sees that it occurs.
I get the impression that the actual argument he's having is with other people elsewhere as well and that's bleeding over into here. It's like he's lumped everyone in that disagrees with him about anything and assumes that they are all arguing the same thing.
To me it's just the sign of someone with a very, very fragile ego. He can't handle being wrong so he has to invent reasons why he's not, even if he's saying plainly ridiculous and embarrassing things.

He doesn't seem to realize if he had just taken the L a while ago he could have saved himself a lot of humiliation.
 

WelshBloke

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To me it's just the sign of someone with a very, very fragile ego. He can't handle being wrong so he has to invent reasons why he's not, even if he's saying plainly ridiculous and embarrassing things.
Yeah it could be that.
He doesn't seem to realize if he had just taken the L a while ago he could have saved himself a lot of humiliation.
Indeed. It wouldn't even have been a massive issue before he made it one!
 

Moonbeam

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Speaking of Hinduism, Islam and Sikhism, as well as some other main religions, this may interest some:


The deeper you look, it seems to me, the more it seems there is one truth and it expresses itself in the language of the time and place of those to whom it is revealed. Meanwhile the blind kill each other arguing the supposed universality of the tiny part they have touched.
 
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fskimospy

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And the jackals howl together when I point out their hypocrisy.
Color me shocked you didn’t answer an extremely simple question.

That does settle it though - when you’re avoiding questions that simple and obvious you’re doing it because you know I’m right but don’t want to admit it.

Liar confirmed.
 
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Moonbeam

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And the jackals howl together when I point out their hypocrisy.
Help me out. Are you not a Hindu who holds judgments of others concurrent with the position taken in that religion, correct me if I am wrong, that the error of attachment to such things is due to a lack of understanding of Maya? Perhaps you have failed to actualize a real understanding of the precepts of your own faith. Perhaps you are simply deluded like everyone else who divides ultimate reality into opinions about differences that are not real owing to fear and hate. What kind of faith in the ultimate oneness of everything is that?
 

dank69

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What facts? Your nonsensical argument that India naturalize the citizenship of tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of potential terrorists?
Every single person can be described as a "potential terrorist." Tyrants use vague words like that to trick less discerning people like yourself into being garbage human beings.
 
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