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Nebor

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Depends on how long it takes someone to reverse the ruling.

The Atkins stock was legal for a while and then the ruling was reversed.

Ah "rulings." They use words like that to make it seem like they're legitimate, legal decisions by a court somewhere, not by some BATFE bureaucrat at a desk in Washington that just changed his mind.
 

BreastInspector

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Ah "rulings." They use words like that to make it seem like they're legitimate, legal decisions by a court somewhere, not by some BATFE bureaucrat at a desk in Washington that just changed his mind.

The ATF for a very long time was a Treasury department. They still continue to issue revenue rulings that are the basis for enforcement.
 

Nebor

Lifer
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The ATF for a very long time was a Treasury department. They still continue to issue revenue rulings that are the basis for enforcement.

I know. One of the only government organizations that won't take tax money that people are begging to give them.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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In which counties is it legal to shoot a man just to watch him die?

I already know about Washoe county, of course (thanks, Mr. Cash. :thumbsup, but that's a bit cliche'd at this point.
 

schneiderguy

Lifer
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Why do guns like the AR15, AK47/74, and SKS use a free floating firing pin instead of a spring loaded firing pin? They dent the primer each time you chamber a round
 

Nebor

Lifer
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Why do guns like the AR15, AK47/74, and SKS use a free floating firing pin instead of a spring loaded firing pin? They dent the primer each time you chamber a round

For military weapons, it's (a spring loaded firing pin) just another thing that can break\requires maintenance. Field cleaning any of those rifles doesn't involve breaking the bolt apart, because it's not necessary.
 

BreastInspector

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Why do guns like the AR15, AK47/74, and SKS use a free floating firing pin instead of a spring loaded firing pin? They dent the primer each time you chamber a round

They're supposed to dent the primer. If you don't dent the primer you don't get ignition.

Why would you spring load it? By definition the firing pin is static until it is struck by an outside force. A striker is spring loaded.
 

schneiderguy

Lifer
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They're supposed to dent the primer. If you don't dent the primer you don't get ignition.

Why would you spring load it? By definition the firing pin is static until it is struck by an outside force. A striker is spring loaded.

Yeah but they dent the primer when you chamber a round in addition to when you pull the trigger. It seems like this wouldn't be desirable since you could get discharges when you chamber a round (SKS is notorious for this).

With a free floating firing pin it isn't static though, it flops around when the bolt moves.

Maybe "spring loaded" was the wrong term, but couldn't you have a spring holding the firing pin back until it's hit with the hammer?

edit: here's what I'm trying to describe:



Seems like best case it'd prevent all slam fires, worst case the spring would break and you'd be back to a free floating pin.
 
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corwin

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Jan 13, 2006
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Is there a double-stack 1911? Am not liking a mere 8 rounds for personal protection.
There's several companies that make them, Para-Ordinance was one of the first (lots of hate for them here though) and they even make an extremely compact model that holds 10rds, the full size holds 14...you can also get them in 9mm with up to 18rd capacity. They aren't the only one just the first that comes to mind, STI makes some as well as others.

Links:
http://www.paraord.com/new/product.php
http://www.stiguns.com/guns/guns.php

On the other hand 8rds of .45 should be plenty in most any situation unless you're a bad shot, and you can always carry a spare mag...
 
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TheNinja

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Slow hit beats a fast miss - the better gun is the one you shoot better.

Lights can be cumbersome but useful. Depending on the mounting option though. I have a Benelli M1 that has a pressure sensitive pad that tends to turn on when I don't want it to turn on.

The type/brand of ammo is less relevant than caliber. If you have thin walls and kids and you have a high density neighborhood and don't want a bullet going next door - Get an AR15.

That is not a joke, AR15's will not penetrate drywall. 9mm will.

Are you serious about the AR15? I thought pretty much any rifle round will go through walls, which is why some people use birdshot or #4 in their house. I'm in California too, so I don't even know if I can get an AR15 anymore . The laws here suck b/c you know if you make certain guns illegal and mandate waiting periods the criminals will never be able to get a hold of those guns....
 

shortylickens

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Most guys who get ANY sort of military assault rifle in the 5.56 prefer to buy large boxes of military grade ammo cuz its cheap. The main reason is the simple bullet construction which is typically full metal jacket. That shit will punch through steel that isnt rated to some ballistic specification and some of it WILL go through ballistic steel. We've been having a serious problem with that at my local gun range. As such all FMJ rifle ammo has been banned (much to the dismay of many hardcore gun nuts).

I have no idea what the dude was saying when it wont go through drywall. Even the hollow point hunting rounds will punch through that. You need something heavy and liquid like human flesh to get a HP 5.56 or 223 to expand properly.
 

Jaepheth

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If i wanted to get a functional reproduction of a flint-lock Kentucky long rifle, where should I look, and what should I look for in terms of quality?
 

schneiderguy

Lifer
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Are you serious about the AR15? I thought pretty much any rifle round will go through walls, which is why some people use birdshot or #4 in their house. I'm in California too, so I don't even know if I can get an AR15 anymore . The laws here suck b/c you know if you make certain guns illegal and mandate waiting periods the criminals will never be able to get a hold of those guns....

You can get an AR-15 in California! Check out calguns: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/index.php

Here's my CA legal AR-15:

 

BreastInspector

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Yeah but they dent the primer when you chamber a round in addition to when you pull the trigger. It seems like this wouldn't be desirable since you could get discharges when you chamber a round (SKS is notorious for this).

With a free floating firing pin it isn't static though, it flops around when the bolt moves.

Maybe "spring loaded" was the wrong term, but couldn't you have a spring holding the firing pin back until it's hit with the hammer?

edit: here's what I'm trying to describe:



Seems like best case it'd prevent all slam fires, worst case the spring would break and you'd be back to a free floating pin.

Sounds complicated. If it isn't broke, don't fix it. I think Eugene Stoner figured it out a long time ago.
 

BreastInspector

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Aug 15, 2009
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Are you serious about the AR15? I thought pretty much any rifle round will go through walls, which is why some people use birdshot or #4 in their house. I'm in California too, so I don't even know if I can get an AR15 anymore . The laws here suck b/c you know if you make certain guns illegal and mandate waiting periods the criminals will never be able to get a hold of those guns....

I am completely serious. 9mm will go through the wall, 5.56 mm rifle projectiles will not.
 
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