I'm in the wrong line of work... 900k salary 3 years after undergrad....

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Eug

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I knew someone in that industry who called me after getting the year end bonus. That person was bummed that the bonus was equal to the salary, not twice the salary. Apparently the boss had told that person that the salary would be doubled, and that was misinterpreted.

I just laughed and told the person to stop complaining like an overly entitled kid.

P.S. That person did work long hours but then used to order takeout from some of the most expensive restaurants nearby and then bill it to the clients. In fact, the entire dept did that.

Whereas some people might take their spouses to a posh restaurant a couple times of the year for special occasions, these people would get the same food daily just for working late... Plus bonuses on top of that.
 
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Franz316

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Everyone who responded saying they would do what he did for a few years and get out didn't read the article or didn't understand it. Our financial elite are addicted to their bonuses like a crack addict is addicted to his drug. These people have lost all perspective on reality and suck the country's wealth upwards. They don't do it because they're smarter or better or harder working but because they have a pyschological problem.

The key to happiness is being satisfied with what you have, not craving after that which you don't. I'll take an engineering job with interesting problems to solve and comparatively low pay over any position in management or finance because I enjoy it.

There is a reason people with sociopathic tendencies gravitate towards Wall Street type jobs. How can a job drain a soul of someone who has none?

These people create nothing and contribute nothing meaningful to society. They are more likely to have a negative impact as they gamble with the economy and use all the financial gymnastics in the world to scheme up new money making ideas. You could delete their entire industry tomorrow and the world would be better for it.
 

IEC

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I know the feeling.

I worked for a software company that was and is still doing extremely well. I worked hard and long. The promotions, double digit percentage raises each year, and mortgage down payment-sized bonuses weren't a substitute for happiness and meaning in life.

I quit and went back to school. Much happier now.
 

Vdubchaos

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There is a reason people with sociopathic tendencies gravitate towards Wall Street type jobs. How can a job drain a soul of someone who has none?

These people create nothing and contribute nothing meaningful to society. They are more likely to have a negative impact as they gamble with the economy and use all the financial gymnastics in the world to scheme up new money making ideas. You could delete their entire industry tomorrow and the world would be better for it.

Agreed
 

z1ggy

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Friend of a friend of a friend works for Goldman Sachs and is my age (25) and makes about 300k a year. Thing is... He consistently works 60-80 hours a week. At that point, you have almost no free time. What's the point to being loaded when all you do is work?
 

Aldon

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Friend of a friend of a friend works for Goldman Sachs and is my age (25) and makes about 300k a year. Thing is... He consistently works 60-80 hours a week. At that point, you have almost no free time. What's the point to being loaded when all you do is work?

Money is a substitute for happiness, they think. What about vacation?
 

Fox5

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Friend of a friend of a friend works for Goldman Sachs and is my age (25) and makes about 300k a year. Thing is... He consistently works 60-80 hours a week. At that point, you have almost no free time. What's the point to being loaded when all you do is work?

I wouldn't do it for life, but for a short time, why not? If you can command $300k a year, you can command far less than that too. Convert that $300k into a fully paid off house working at a smaller firm in some sleepy hamlet.

It was pretty common with Iraq and Afghanistan that people would volunteer to go over to make hazard pay, and that hazard pay was well under $300k a year. They'd work 12 hour days, have a risk of death, but after 6 months to a year of working, they'd have pocketed so much money that it would have a substantial impact on their standard of living when they returned.
 

HumblePie

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I wouldn't do it for life, but for a short time, why not? If you can command $300k a year, you can command far less than that too. Convert that $300k into a fully paid off house working at a smaller firm in some sleepy hamlet.

It was pretty common with Iraq and Afghanistan that people would volunteer to go over to make hazard pay, and that hazard pay was well under $300k a year. They'd work 12 hour days, have a risk of death, but after 6 months to a year of working, they'd have pocketed so much money that it would have a substantial impact on their standard of living when they returned.

I almost did that. I had an offer to teach in Saudi Arabia for $400K a year. I probably should have done it, but was a bit scared off considering the risk to life and limb factor for that kind of dough. Making $400K for that year would have been great for my financial future, if I still had a future after going there.

Funny thing is I was in the military and don't mind the idea of being shot when the reason for my being in a dangerous situation is not one based on money. I'd gladly lay down my life for those I love and care about so they can live long and happy lives. I'd not quite do the same when it just comes to making some quick cash for myself.


Side note, I almost wish though I had gone the wall street route for a year or two personally. Then I think of how much of the money is "earned" and it does gall me a bit so I'm more content with what I have earned. Yah I would love to have my house paid off and enough money in a college fund for my soon to be first born, but I don't think I'd sacrifice my principles for that.
 
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jlee

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Friend of a friend of a friend works for Goldman Sachs and is my age (25) and makes about 300k a year. Thing is... He consistently works 60-80 hours a week. At that point, you have almost no free time. What's the point to being loaded when all you do is work?

Plenty of people have almost no free time and make not even 20% of that. I'm not sure I could argue with knocking out a year at 300k working 60hr weeks...that's over six times the median household income in Arizona.
 

werepossum

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It's stealing from people who leave their money on the sidewalk in the hope that the money fairies will give them even more money when they come back to check on it.

Unfortunately, there are a LOT of these people.
You officially rule.
 

alkemyst

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alkemyst

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Friend of a friend of a friend works for Goldman Sachs and is my age (25) and makes about 300k a year. Thing is... He consistently works 60-80 hours a week. At that point, you have almost no free time. What's the point to being loaded when all you do is work?

It's like being a surgeon. You put your time in early and then you can scale back or just drop out later.

Some folks out there are having to work 60-80 hours at $15-20/hr.
 

velillen

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Friend of a friend of a friend works for Goldman Sachs and is my age (25) and makes about 300k a year. Thing is... He consistently works 60-80 hours a week. At that point, you have almost no free time. What's the point to being loaded when all you do is work?

Some people enjoy it. I have (or had) a friend who got a job doing something in New York right out of college (we werent super close). But everytime i would talk to him he was working. Always working. He just enjoyed it. But it did kill his social life and most of us moved on in life sort of leaving him behind.

I could make as much as those guys if i worked the overtime. but meh ill take my 40 hours and enjoy my evenings and weekends. 77 hours of OT worked all of last year...and all of that was in a 2 week period too. Im just not into the whole making tons of money. I make enough to buy what i want and live how i want.
 

raildogg

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For the love of money (and through it, power) man will and has done anything. Yet, the vast majority of people get educated to get money. It's an ongoing cycle.

And yet, we people say greed of money and power is bad. Though we continually do it.
 

ultimatebob

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Jul 1, 2001
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Screw that... I wanna know who HE knew, so I too can get a reservation at Per Se with just a phone call
 

baydude

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What I don't understand is how is there really 80-90 hours of work during the week? Trading hours are from 9:30am to 4pm every weekday and closed during the weekends. Are they actually sitting there doing real work from 7am until midnight?

I had some friends doing tax in Big 4's and during busy season they would pull a lot of hours. But a friend told me a lot of the times, there really isn't 50-60 hours worth of work every week but they feel encouraged to stay to bill clients and move up the ladder. Half the time, they're just surfing the web or chatting w/ coworkers while billing clients. So do these bankers actually do over 80 hours of real work or are they going out on fancy meals while charging time and billing clients?
 

Aldon

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I wonder if anyone from here has been there done that and made that sum of cash.
 

mmntech

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Money may not buy happiness but it does make a lot of sadness go away.

I don't think being a trader is the easy job that a lot of people think it is. There's a lot of pressure behind it. On the other hand, you're making a shit load of money basically on a form of glorified gambling. Then again this is the same world where we pay grown men multi million dollar contracts to toss a ball around.
 

alkemyst

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What I don't understand is how is there really 80-90 hours of work during the week? Trading hours are from 9:30am to 4pm every weekday and closed during the weekends. Are they actually sitting there doing real work from 7am until midnight?

I had some friends doing tax in Big 4's and during busy season they would pull a lot of hours. But a friend told me a lot of the times, there really isn't 50-60 hours worth of work every week but they feel encouraged to stay to bill clients and move up the ladder. Half the time, they're just surfing the web or chatting w/ coworkers while billing clients. So do these bankers actually do over 80 hours of real work or are they going out on fancy meals while charging time and billing clients?

They are doing a lot of getting new business, tracking trends, planning forward thinking strategies based on the current market, etc.

Your last sentence was truly ignorant.
 

alkemyst

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Some people enjoy it. I have (or had) a friend who got a job doing something in New York right out of college (we werent super close). But everytime i would talk to him he was working. Always working. He just enjoyed it. But it did kill his social life and most of us moved on in life sort of leaving him behind.

I could make as much as those guys if i worked the overtime. but meh ill take my 40 hours and enjoy my evenings and weekends. 77 hours of OT worked all of last year...and all of that was in a 2 week period too. Im just not into the whole making tons of money. I make enough to buy what i want and live how i want.

Most unfortunately can't decide to work OT or not. Most that do work OT will not get paid more as they are moved out of hourly positions and into positions that don't have OT.

This is abused by many employers, however; good luck suing your own employer.
 
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