I'm so tired of this "equality" BS

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Craig234

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I think I know why. "The figure includes all individual and corporate income taxes, estate taxes, gift taxes, and excise taxes."

With all of that being split evenly among the population you get those numbers. That doesnt mean shit though because of how few people are actually there.

That still didn't explain it to me - California has more corporations, rich people etc. - but I think you were close.

One word answers the question divided amonth the population I bet:

Wal-Mart.

World's biggest retailer in a rural state.
 

JSt0rm

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That still didn't explain it to me - California has more corporations, rich people etc. - but I think you were close.

One word answers the question divided amonth the population I bet:

Wal-Mart.

World's biggest retailer in a rural state.

We have more of those things here but our population is orders of magnitude larger.

I would argue that depressed retard wages and large corporate profits push Arkansas's base taxes up. If we looked at only federal taxes paid by individuals we would see very different numbers.

But their taxes pushed up or not they still get back 1.53 for every dollar they pay.
 

Craig234

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It's not so much Wal-Mart employing in AR, it's that their corporate profits are taxed there at the headquarters.
 

PeshakJang

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Yeah I get it.

So you agree that it isn't 'blue' paying for 'red', it's the 1% paying for the 99%.

It just so happens that the 1% in California are mostly 'blue'. Raise their taxes and the 99% in that state would be getting even less per capita than they paid in, than they do now.

Or do you really think that everyone in Arkansas gets a check for 1.5 x what they paid in?

Like I said, only 2 ways to change that. Lower taxes on the rich, or reduce government expenditures.
 

piasabird

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What on earth is thread about?

Meanwhile somewhere in Ameritopia a child is born to another drug addict. How is that equal?
 

JSt0rm

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So you agree that it isn't 'blue' paying for 'red', it's the 1% paying for the 99%.

It just so happens that the 1% in California are mostly 'blue'. Raise their taxes and the 99% in that state would be getting even less per capita than they paid in, than they do now.

Or do you really think that everyone in Arkansas gets a check for 1.5 x what they paid in?

Like I said, only 2 ways to change that. Lower taxes on the rich, or reduce government expenditures.

So you belong to the church of trickle down economics I see. There is nothing I can do to shake your religious belief.

You do realize that the people of Arkansas dont have enough skills to earn more then 35k? You do realize that this states main employer is a school, second is walmart (lol) and 3rd is the federal government?

You do realize that I expect any human from this welfare state to not be critical of others is similar situations (including your precious 1%) until they get their house in order.

I'm paying more then I get while they dont. Thats not fair but I understand that life isnt fair and sometimes people need welfare to get by. The poor people of Arkansas are in this situation and I pay federal taxes to help them in their 87% christian lifestyle. You think I like that? NO, but I deal with it.
 

JSt0rm

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What on earth is thread about?

Meanwhile somewhere in Ameritopia a child is born to another drug addict. How is that equal?

Yeah the child of a drug addict is using welfare and is a drain on society. They wanted to be rich but decided that it was easier to barely survive on welfare so they passed on it.
 

zinfamous

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Yeah the child of a drug addict is using welfare and is a drain on society. They wanted to be rich but decided that it was easier to barely survive on welfare so they passed on it.

werd.

I'd do that if I could...

:hmm:
 

schneiderguy

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95% of what's said here about liberals is wrong or lies. I can't remember the other 5%.

If you were a liberal, you'd make it illegal not to hire the manlet for jobs he could do.

If you were a conservative, you'd scream and demand the right for the 'free market' to let ignorant prejudice discriminate.

What!? Now Nanny state liberals want to ban manlet tossing!? Hitler!!!!

I have no problem with discriminating against manlets. I'm not sure they're even human, to be honest.
 

PeshakJang

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So you belong to the church of trickle down economics I see. There is nothing I can do to shake your religious belief.

You do realize that the people of Arkansas dont have enough skills to earn more then 35k? You do realize that this states main employer is a school, second is walmart (lol) and 3rd is the federal government?

You do realize that I expect any human from this welfare state to not be critical of others is similar situations (including your precious 1%) until they get their house in order.

I'm paying more then I get while they dont. Thats not fair but I understand that life isnt fair and sometimes people need welfare to get by. The poor people of Arkansas are in this situation and I pay federal taxes to help them in their 87% christian lifestyle. You think I like that? NO, but I deal with it.

I just showed you that the people of Arkansas pay more in taxes than the people of California. I would bet that the cost of living, coupled with the lower median wages, would equalize the comparison a good deal. Remove the high concentration of wealthy 1%ers from CA and it becomes a welfare state as well.

PS... According to the 2010 census, Arkansas has a higher HS graduate % than CA.

But hey... Tell us what you think would happen if we stopped 'subsidizing' Arkansas, and why you want to avoid doing so.
 

Jhhnn

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I just showed you that the people of Arkansas pay more in taxes than the people of California. I would bet that the cost of living, coupled with the lower median wages, would equalize the comparison a good deal. Remove the high concentration of wealthy 1%ers from CA and it becomes a welfare state as well.

PS... According to the 2010 census, Arkansas has a higher HS graduate % than CA.

But hey... Tell us what you think would happen if we stopped 'subsidizing' Arkansas, and why you want to avoid doing so.

All you showed was how a relatively few high incomes in a small database, Arkansas, skews the numbers wrt taxes.

The poverty rate in Arkansas is ~18.8%, for example, while it's ~14.2% for California.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...yEEkiN&sig=AHIEtbRq7nL13yztdXssxGjDMoLtnniSZw

Median household income is ~$20K lower in Arkansas than in California-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

Obviously, your tax number is quite deceptive, which is why you offered it.
 

PeshakJang

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All you showed was how a relatively few high incomes in a small database, Arkansas, skews the numbers wrt taxes.

So are you saying that the majority of Californians earn the median wage? Or wold you agree that there is also a small number of *extremely* high wages in CA that skew tax payment numbers, and an extremely high number of people in general that skews the receipts per capita as well?

The poverty rate in Arkansas is ~18.8%, for example, while it's ~14.2% for California.

And when controlling the for the margin of error, the three year averages are basically identical. Arkansas may even have lower average poverty.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/incpovhlth/2010/state.xls

Median household income is ~$20K lower in Arkansas than in California-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

Obviously, your tax number is quite deceptive, which is why you offered it.

The median housing prices in Arkansas are also roughly 1/4 that of California.

I'd wager that $40,000 in Arkansas will go a lot further than $60,000 in California. Don't you want everyone to be able to buy a house? Don't you want everyone to be able to provide for their families?
 

Jhhnn

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So are you saying that the majority of Californians earn the median wage? Or wold you agree that there is also a small number of *extremely* high wages in CA that skew tax payment numbers, and an extremely high number of people in general that skews the receipts per capita as well?



And when controlling the for the margin of error, the three year averages are basically identical. Arkansas may even have lower average poverty.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/incpovhlth/2010/state.xls



The median housing prices in Arkansas are also roughly 1/4 that of California.

I'd wager that $40,000 in Arkansas will go a lot further than $60,000 in California. Don't you want everyone to be able to buy a house? Don't you want everyone to be able to provide for their families?

So, uhh, what you're saying is that Arkansas & other welfare states should be subsidizing California, rather than vice-versa?

Or are you just trying to "win" by whatever dishonest means are necessary?
 

HomerJS

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No two or more humans can ever be equal.
No matter what you do to try and balance it they won't be, one will always have more money, better looks, more authority...etc.
Satan wanted to be equal with God and look at what that story has to say.
All animals are equal.
Some animals are more equal than others.


What you are saying makes perfect sense. White males who make up about 30% of the population control over 95% of its wealth. Why would they want to give any of that up!
 

ccbadd

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Women and a number of other minorities have been treated the same way.


FYI, women are not, and have never been a minority group in the US. They make up roughly 51% of the population currently, and it has been higher in the past.
 

PeshakJang

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So, uhh, what you're saying is that Arkansas & other welfare states should be subsidizing California, rather than vice-versa?

Or are you just trying to "win" by whatever dishonest means are necessary?

I'm just destroying your points as you present them. The numbers are simple. Those from Arkansas pay more per capita in taxes than Californians. Cost of living is drastically lower. You call Arkansas a welfare state, when I would bet anything that California benefits more from federal welfare and handouts than most other states.

In fact, how about this

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2009/04/per-capita-federal-welfare-expenditures.html

Without going through all the data myself (on an iPad), It looks like California receives twice as much federal welfare per capita than Arkansas. Not really shocking, but a reflection of the fact, as I pointed out, that the vast majority of California would be classified as a welfare state, in your words, if not for the high concentrations of the evil 1%.

Facts are facts.
 

1prophet

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There is no such thing as equal opportunity.
I have known employers who won't hire someone black because their affraid of getting someone who is lazy and will sue if they are fired.
Equality only exists in math.
Plenty of whiteys just as lazy if not more,

thats why you hire a Mexican.:biggrin:
 

Jhhnn

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I'm just destroying your points as you present them. The numbers are simple. Those from Arkansas pay more per capita in taxes than Californians. Cost of living is drastically lower. You call Arkansas a welfare state, when I would bet anything that California benefits more from federal welfare and handouts than most other states.

In fact, how about this

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2009/04/per-capita-federal-welfare-expenditures.html

Without going through all the data myself (on an iPad), It looks like California receives twice as much federal welfare per capita than Arkansas. Not really shocking, but a reflection of the fact, as I pointed out, that the vast majority of California would be classified as a welfare state, in your words, if not for the high concentrations of the evil 1%.

Facts are facts.

Which really proves nothing, considering this-

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22685.html

http://stonesoup.wordpress.com/2011/06/07/federal-funding-received-by-state-per-dollar-sent/

Over 40% of Mississippi's state budget is from federal funds, but they're huge supporters of small govt...

It's like the usual wingnut rant about how half the wage earners pay no federal income taxes, when it's total taxes that matter... In this case, it's total federal expenditures vs revenue per capita that matters...
 

ZaneNBK

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You do realize that the people of Arkansas dont have enough skills to earn more then 35k? You do realize that this states main employer is a school, second is walmart (lol) and 3rd is the federal government?

Northwest Arkansas is home to three fortune 500 companies, one of them the largest private employer in the US. The jobs here are primarily professional and IT. Wal-Mart's IT department itself is in the 2500+ employee range. JB Hunt and Tyson also have large corporate offices and IT departments as well. But you can continue to consider us skill-less morons if it helps you make your arguments. Pay for these jobs is well above the AR average, though of course not at the level of CA professional/IT jobs in general. The main difference is due to the low cost of living here. There's lots of land and the majority of the US sees this state as "flyover territory".

In actuality, if you adjust the median income of CA and AR by their cost of living index they're within ~$1800. Sources:

http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/unemployment/RDList2.asp?ST=CA
http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/unemployment/RDList2.asp?ST=AR
http://www.missourieconomy.org/indicators/cost_of_living/index.stm

The poor people of Arkansas are in this situation and I pay federal taxes to help them in their 87% christian lifestyle. You think I like that? NO, but I deal with it.

According to Wikipedia AR is 86% Christian and CA is 69%, so I don't see how that is entirely relevant.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California#Religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Arkansas#Religion
 
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JSt0rm

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Northwest Arkansas is home to three fortune 500 companies, one of them the largest private employer in the US. The jobs here are primarily professional and IT. Wal-Mart's IT department itself is in the 2500+ employee range. JB Hunt and Tyson also have large corporate offices and IT departments as well. But you can continue to consider us skill-less morons if it helps you make your arguments. Pay for these jobs is well above the AR average, though of course not at the level of CA professional/IT jobs in general. The main difference is due to the low cost of living here. There's lots of land and the majority of the US sees this state as "flyover territory".

In actuality, if you adjust the median income of CA and AR by their cost of living index they're within ~$1800. Sources:

http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/unemployment/RDList2.asp?ST=CA
http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/unemployment/RDList2.asp?ST=AR
http://www.missourieconomy.org/indicators/cost_of_living/index.stm



According to Wikipedia AR is 86% Christian and CA is 69%, so I don't see how that is entirely relevant.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California#Religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Arkansas#Religion

I dont like Christians. Thats how its relevant.

We have been over that walmart's ivory tower is in arkansas. Nobody cares about walmart and its sad that they are the largest private employer in the country. I never shop there.

Anyways the point is that the entire state of Arkansas is a welfare state. You receive more from the federal government then you pay in taxes. Therefore I dont expect to see anyone from this state complain about the small number of humans on welfare. I'm glad you have 3 companies and 2500 it jobs still your largest employer is the federal government. Walmart pays instore staff so little they are on medicaid sucking more money from the tax base to make your emperor rich.
 

ZaneNBK

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I dont like Christians. Thats how its relevant.

We have been over that walmart's ivory tower is in arkansas. Nobody cares about walmart and its sad that they are the largest private employer in the country. I never shop there.

Anyways the point is that the entire state of Arkansas is a welfare state. You receive more from the federal government then you pay in taxes. Therefore I dont expect to see anyone from this state complain about the small number of humans on welfare. I'm glad you have 3 companies and 2500 it jobs still your largest employer is the federal government. Walmart pays instore staff so little they are on medicaid sucking more money from the tax base to make your emperor rich.

The largest employer in CA is either State or Federal government. Let's look at the list of the top 50 here:

http://www.acinet.org/oview6.asp?soccode=&stfips=06&from=State&id=&nodeid=12

1) UCLA Health Systems - not sure if state owned, UCLA is
2) UCLA - State
3) UC Davis - State
4) LA County Sheriff - Local government
5) Nestle - Private
6) UC San Fran - State
7) Edwards AFB - Fed
8) UC Berkley - State
9) Sharp Memorial Hospital - private?
10) UC Irvine - State
11) Cedars-Sinai Medical Center - Private?
12) Cisco - Private
13) Naval Construction Batallion - Fed
14) Loma Linda Univ. Med Center - state?
15) LA PD - Local gov
16) Applied materials - Private
17) US Naval Air Station - Fed

So in the top 17 there are 3-6 private corps. The #1 employer is state government and the #2 is fed government, if you continue through the top 50 fed adds up to more than the 35.5K at UCLA Health System. So another point of yours proven to be worthless.

The only good point you've made is the amount of fed dollars received vs. fed taxes.
 
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