Im switching over to the light side......

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Especially after seeing the Attila benchmarks I think ive about had my fill of my FX8350. I got it on sale for around 169.00 when it was first released but now I think its rans it course{at least with me}.
I have around 400 to spend on a CPU/Mobo combo and as I have always been an AMD user my knowledge of Intel is scant.
What are your thoughts on the I5 4690K, and will it still be a heavy contender in say 2-3 years down the road?
 

DrMrLordX

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Light side indeed. Where are the processors with optical interconnects?!?!?

. . .

Ahem, right. OP, i5-4690k has plenty of life left in it. AVX2 hasn't even seen widespread adoption. There is a lot of room for improvement (not to say that it's slow on non-AVX2 code, it's just that with AVX2 . . . zoooom).
 

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Especially after seeing the Attila benchmarks I think ive about had my fill of my FX8350. I got it on sale for around 169.00 when it was first released but now I think its rans it course{at least with me}.
I have around 400 to spend on a CPU/Mobo combo and as I have always been an AMD user my knowledge of Intel is scant.
What are your thoughts on the I5 4690K, and will it still be a heavy contender in say 2-3 years down the road?

So you are willing to change a processor because of one game made by a developer that has a track record of failing on technical level, Alien Isolation ran poorly on PS4.

Games from Creative Assembly are known to not utilize fully multi-core CPU's or at least lack of optimizations which I would not be surprised if they aren't using latest instructions to give performance benefits for newer CPU's.

You'l buy an i5 and what not and then next year AMD releases "Zen" which will likely be very competitive with Intel's offering as staff that previously worked for AMD have come back and those guys designed CPU's that left Intel in the dust back in the day.
 

elemein

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So you are willing to change a processor because of one game made by a developer that has a track record of failing on technical level, Alien Isolation ran poorly on PS4.

Games from Creative Assembly are known to not utilize fully multi-core CPU's or at least lack of optimizations which I would not be surprised if they aren't using latest instructions to give performance benefits for newer CPU's.

You'l buy an i5 and what not and then next year AMD releases "Zen" which will likely be very competitive with Intel's offering as staff that previously worked for AMD have come back and those guys designed CPU's that left Intel in the dust back in the day.

Wouldnt have so much faith. It was a very different situation back in the day.
 

MisterLilBig

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I think as we move towards the low level API's and multi-threaded engines, having that FX 8 core is a better option than having an i5. Now, if he was talking about an 8T i7, alright, if you really want that very expensive performance.

Personally, sounds like a waste of money. You are better off waiting to see what happens with "Zen", the FX 8350 should be good for awhile, and if you haven't overclocked it, well, you can get a bit extra out of it also.
 

Phynaz

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What are your thoughts on the I5 4690K, and will it still be a heavy contender in say 2-3 years down the road?

I'll be the first to answer your question instead of telling you that you are wrong to switch.

A 4690K is a great CPU, one of the best you can get. It will easily last you years.

Hopefully you live near a MicroCenter.
 

ShintaiDK

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An i5 is a perfect choice. It also ages well unlike the FX. And you get proper solid performance and less heat.
 
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You made the right choice. Intel is a much more efficient and well balanced gaming processor. We have been hearing this same line for years how the next chip or software will magically make AMD the leader. All we have seen so far is competitive performance at best in a few games, and still trailing badly even in a lot of new games.

As for waiting for Zen, the chances are very small that it will match even a current intel quad, much less Skylake which will be out by then.

Edit: for sure a 4690k is a great choice, and will give improved performance in a lot of games, especially ones that demand high single thread performance. Whether it is worthwhile to upgrade from an 8350 is a bit more debatable. What gpu do you have? If it is not a powerful one you might consider using the money on a gpu upgrade.
 
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What are your thoughts on the I5 4690K, and will it still be a heavy contender in say 2-3 years down the road?

It's a great chip, and given that performance improvements gen/gen aren't all that huge on the desktop CPU front, it should last you a good long while.
 

BSim500

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i5's run every game just fine (even 1-2 generations old i5's). And the problem with "you are better off waiting" is people have waiting for the past 4-5 years, and if Zen doesn't pan out as some magic panacea, will end up waiting for the next 5 too...
 
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i5's run every game just fine (even 1-2 generations old i5's). And the problem with "you are better off waiting" is people have waiting for the past 4-5 years, and if Zen doesn't pan out as some magic panacea, will end up waiting for the next 5 too...

There just is no reason to wait. If you want great performance, you can have it right now with an Intel chip.
 

cen1

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Upgrading CPU due to a benchmark of an unreleased game from a developer with a terrible track record of releasing bug ridden games (Rome II says hi).

Honestly, I'd at least wait for proper benchmarks to show up and like a month of patches, unless you are a total die hard fan of TW.
 
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railven

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I'll be the first to answer your question instead of telling you that you are wrong to switch.

A 4690K is a great CPU, one of the best you can get. It will easily last you years.

Hopefully you live near a MicroCenter.

I just got the MC President's day flyer and sadly the i7 4790k even on their flyer is back to $280.

I jumped on it when it hit $250, and am holding out to Skylake now. Haha.

i5 4690k was definitely my first option until that sale for the 4790k.

If you have a MC close by, you'll definitely save by going with a bundle.
 
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I think you should spend at least $250 on the Intel CPU.

Below that the AMD chips you can get for $100 (FX-8310, what I have, for example, or the 8300) make too much sense.
 

Yuriman

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From what I've seen of Mantle, Intel and AMD CPUs both benefit from driver overhead and load distribution improvements, with chips like the i3 coming having some of the largest percent improvements. You might consider, rather than a 4690K, getting a cheap i7 Xeon instead, or even going with a 4790K.

The Xeon 1230V3 is clocked 200mhz lower than a (stock) 4690K but has hyperthreading for only a $10 premium, and you can opt for a cheaper H97 board and probably save around $50 between motherboard and cooler, making it a cheaper option overall.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116906


The 4790K is $90 more than the 4690K, but is clocked ~500mhz higher and has hyperthreading, and can probably also be paired with a much cheaper H97 board due to it being near the max clock one can generally get with Haswell without unreasonable voltage. You might still want an aftermarket cooler, but it's again possible to save ~$30 with a cheaper board, making it only a $60 (~20% on the CPU alone, much lower if you consider overall system cost) premium for eight threads and 15% higher clocks.


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Despite how little more it is to get eight threads over an i5's four, though, it's arguably a waste of money (today) because very few games benefit at all from having more than four hardware threads - even console ports, which were natively 6+ threaded on the consoles. Although an i7 can be as much as 70% faster in scientific computing than an i5, in games you'll see very little benefit beyond the clockspeed advantage. It's interesting what that implies about FX chips.

EDIT: The argument for a Xeon or i7 is much stronger if you do any significant amount of non-gaming, computationally intensive work on your computer. I'm quite content to sit on my i5 for a long time though.
 
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Elixer

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An i5 is a perfect choice. It also ages well unlike the FX. And you get proper solid performance and less heat.

That depends on what is being run.
In DX12, it is possible that the FX chips will run some things faster...so, the FX might just age better than the i5.

OP, unless there is a pressing need to get it *now*, then I would wait on the sidelines, and see how things play out.
 

ShintaiDK

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That depends on what is being run.
In DX12, it is possible that the FX chips will run some things faster...so, the FX might just age better than the i5.

OP, unless there is a pressing need to get it *now*, then I would wait on the sidelines, and see how things play out.

Does the FX run it faster in Mantle than i5? (Compared to DX11)

The answer is no.

Will the FX run it faster in DX12 than i5? Everything points to no.
 

TheELF

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Mantle is a mess it's still in beta for over a year now,although it does give you a boost in FPS it also gives you a lot of nasty FPS drops making the gameplay worse than with the slower DX11.
There is no doubt that DX12 will be in "beta" for just as long at least,it will be years until it finally runs as intended.
 
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