I'm taking a stand!

[OdiN]

Smokers should have to wear a special suit which keeps all of their smoke just in their little enclosure. That way non-smokers don't have to breathe their crap.

And this goes for smokers in cars too. They should have to keep their windows rolled up.

 

[Canun]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't go to bars where smoking is allowed, but it's ridiculous that they made it illegal. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in his place, it should be his choice.

That makes entirely too much sense, thus the reason we must legislate it!

Tell that to the employees.

And OP - you're only taking half a stand. You should report them.

If they don't like smoke, then they shouldn't work in a place that allows smoking. How hard is that to understand.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: OdiN
Smokers should have to wear a special suit which keeps all of their smoke just in their little enclosure. That way non-smokers don't have to breathe their crap.

And this goes for smokers in cars too. They should have to keep their windows rolled up.

As long as people that use perfume/cologne have to wear the same suit.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
You see, it's people like you that will make future bar owners realize that anti-smoking bars can be equally profitable without moral legislature against a group of people.

http://www.slcbars.com/by_type/non_smoking_bars.php

http://www.barflymag.com/features/NS.html

Non-smoking bars do quite well without a ban. Smokers and non-smokers can both be happy!

As a non-smoker, I would be more than happy to go to the non-smoking bars.

Fuck that. Keep the laws banning smoking. I hate going to restaurants when I'm out of state because of all the smokers. Most people don't smoke and don't want to go to places that people smoke in. Majority rules.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
You see, it's people like you that will make future bar owners realize that anti-smoking bars can be equally profitable without moral legislature against a group of people.

http://www.slcbars.com/by_type/non_smoking_bars.php

http://www.barflymag.com/features/NS.html

Non-smoking bars do quite well without a ban. Smokers and non-smokers can both be happy!

As a non-smoker, I would be more than happy to go to the non-smoking bars.

Fuck that. Keep the laws banning smoking. I hate going to restaurants when I'm out of state because of all the smokers. Most people don't smoke and don't want to go to places that people smoke in. Majority rules.

See my post about what Florida is doing about this issue. It is much more fair than what CA does or what the states that do nothing about it result in.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
You see, it's people like you that will make future bar owners realize that anti-smoking bars can be equally profitable without moral legislature against a group of people.

http://www.slcbars.com/by_type/non_smoking_bars.php

http://www.barflymag.com/features/NS.html

Non-smoking bars do quite well without a ban. Smokers and non-smokers can both be happy!

As a non-smoker, I would be more than happy to go to the non-smoking bars.

Fuck that. Keep the laws banning smoking. I hate going to restaurants when I'm out of state because of all the smokers. Most people don't smoke and don't want to go to places that people smoke in. Majority rules.

See my post about what Florida is doing about this issue. It is much more fair than what CA does or what the states that do nothing about it result in.

It's not about me. It's about human life in general. Well, I guess people are free to shit thier pants and not wipe their ass for a few days.. Even so, they'd still only smell half as bad as a smoker.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: OdiN
Smokers should have to wear a special suit which keeps all of their smoke just in their little enclosure. That way non-smokers don't have to breathe their crap.

And this goes for smokers in cars too. They should have to keep their windows rolled up.

As long as people that use perfume/cologne have to wear the same suit.

it should be soundproof as well and those that have cellphones should be required to wear them with earpieces.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Canun

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't go to bars where smoking is allowed, but it's ridiculous that they made it illegal. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in his place, it should be his choice.

That makes entirely too much sense, thus the reason we must legislate it!

Tell that to the employees.

And OP - you're only taking half a stand. You should report them.

If they don't like smoke, then they shouldn't work in a place that allows smoking. How hard is that to understand.

B/c there are only a limited amount of jobs and since employee's have rights, they can ask for legislation to ban smoking in their workplace.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't go to bars where smoking is allowed, but it's ridiculous that they made it illegal. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in his place, it should be his choice.

:thumbsup:

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
You see, it's people like you that will make future bar owners realize that anti-smoking bars can be equally profitable without moral legislature against a group of people.

http://www.slcbars.com/by_type/non_smoking_bars.php

http://www.barflymag.com/features/NS.html

Non-smoking bars do quite well without a ban. Smokers and non-smokers can both be happy!

As a non-smoker, I would be more than happy to go to the non-smoking bars.

Fuck that. Keep the laws banning smoking. I hate going to restaurants when I'm out of state because of all the smokers. Most people don't smoke and don't want to go to places that people smoke in. Majority rules.

The majority of people in the US are Christian, I suppose we should go ahead and make that the official US religion.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't go to bars where smoking is allowed, but it's ridiculous that they made it illegal. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in his place, it should be his choice.

:thumbsup:

In Soviet America, government > you

 

[digiram]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

When did people become so quick to give up freedom of choice in this country?

See this is the slippery slope. Why can't I be given the freedom to go to any bar/restaurant I want and not be exposed to smoke? Why are "smoker's rights" to smoke wherever they want more important?

You are asking to have your cake and eat it too. What you should be accepting is being able to have just a slice of that cake so that everyone can have their fair share.

i am asking to have the same freedoms the smokers want. it's not so indifferent.

You have the freedom to not go to the bar that allows smoking, and that freedom was available before any smoking ban.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

It's not about me. It's about human life in general. Well, I guess people are free to shit thier pants and not wipe their ass for a few days.. Even so, they'd still only smell half as bad as a smoker.

You don't want the government micromanaging what they believe is "best for human life" to that degree. Trust me. It only seems ok at first but once you open pandora's box you will find law after law after law because there will always be a group of people out there who actively push for one thing or another to be banned once they find out it is realistic to make it happen. What is best for human life in this country is preserving our freedom because once it is gone its gone.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

B/c there are only a limited amount of jobs and since employee's have rights, they can ask for legislation to ban smoking in their workplace.

If you look at the ratio of available jobs throughout the entire US where smoking is not permitted inside the facility as opposed to the jobs where it is permitted then you will quickly realize that this is not an issue. Avoiding this problem is ridiculously easy.

 

[ElFenix]

houston passed a no-smoking in bars ordinance last year, went into effect last september. it's not enforced by the city though, so bar patrons basically do the enforcing: 'you know that's illegal, right?' apparently it's working.

the bar ban came after a ban on smoking in restaurants. there was an exception in that ordinance for full bar areas in restaurants. so about 1/3 of the restaurants in town built full bars. the other restaurants didn't want to build bars, and so got the new ordinance passed.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
You see, it's people like you that will make future bar owners realize that anti-smoking bars can be equally profitable without moral legislature against a group of people.

http://www.slcbars.com/by_type/non_smoking_bars.php

http://www.barflymag.com/features/NS.html

Non-smoking bars do quite well without a ban. Smokers and non-smokers can both be happy!

As a non-smoker, I would be more than happy to go to the non-smoking bars.

Fuck that. Keep the laws banning smoking. I hate going to restaurants when I'm out of state because of all the smokers. Most people don't smoke and don't want to go to places that people smoke in. Majority rules.

The majority of people in the US are Christian, I suppose we should go ahead and make that the official US religion.

Being Christian doesn't kill people.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: OdiN
Smokers should have to wear a special suit which keeps all of their smoke just in their little enclosure. That way non-smokers don't have to breathe their crap.

And this goes for smokers in cars too. They should have to keep their windows rolled up.

As long as people that use perfume/cologne have to wear the same suit.

I wouldn't have a problem with that.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Being Christian doesn't kill people.

What about eating unhealthy foods? Does that kill people? What about consuming too much alcohol? It is just as easy to avoid too much unhealthy foods and imbibing too much alcohol as it is to avoid the amount of second hand smoke that it takes to actually have a noticeable impact on your health.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

well stated. i don't mean to seem overbearing, i'm just passionate about the subject. (as if you couldn't tell. )

Yes, you're a very passionate woman. I like that about you. :heart::lips:

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
You see, it's people like you that will make future bar owners realize that anti-smoking bars can be equally profitable without moral legislature against a group of people.

http://www.slcbars.com/by_type/non_smoking_bars.php

http://www.barflymag.com/features/NS.html

Non-smoking bars do quite well without a ban. Smokers and non-smokers can both be happy!

As a non-smoker, I would be more than happy to go to the non-smoking bars.

Fuck that. Keep the laws banning smoking. I hate going to restaurants when I'm out of state because of all the smokers. Most people don't smoke and don't want to go to places that people smoke in. Majority rules.

The majority of people in the US are Christian, I suppose we should go ahead and make that the official US religion.

Being Christian doesn't kill people.

Unless you go back to the Crusade....

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

B/c there are only a limited amount of jobs and since employee's have rights, they can ask for legislation to ban smoking in their workplace.

If you look at the ratio of available jobs throughout the entire US where smoking is not permitted inside the facility as opposed to the jobs where it is permitted then you will quickly realize that this is not an issue. Avoiding this problem is ridiculously easy.

You forgot to include the skill level / career sector of the employee. Not all restaurant/bar service employees can get jobs in these other sectors or get equal pay.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: OdiN
Smokers should have to wear a special suit which keeps all of their smoke just in their little enclosure. That way non-smokers don't have to breathe their crap.

And this goes for smokers in cars too. They should have to keep their windows rolled up.

As long as people that use perfume/cologne have to wear the same suit.

I wouldn't have a problem with that.

And you, because you smell of elderberries.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
What blows my mind is how the Californians that support these kinds of laws completely fail to realize that the only reason it seems ok is because it favors themselves rather than favoring the freedom of the community. Thinking that way feels all hunky dory until they start passing laws which make your life just that much more inconvenient and unhappy. In the end, the laws are not the true problem. The belief that those kinds of laws which micro manage freedoms of that nature should even be considered up for discussion is the real issue.

Well, they tell me I must wear a helmet when I ride my motorcycle and that I must buckle my seatbelt when I drive my car too. I have no problem with those laws either.

 

[meltdown75]

the whole province here is smoke-free. you can only smoke in designated areas and certainly not in bars / restaurants.

i bet the gov't is kicking themselves now though, since their casino revenues are being lost to Americans that refuse to visit casinos that don't allow smoking. they should have made an exception with casinos. no one wants to gamble without a ciggy!

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
You see, it's people like you that will make future bar owners realize that anti-smoking bars can be equally profitable without moral legislature against a group of people.

http://www.slcbars.com/by_type/non_smoking_bars.php

http://www.barflymag.com/features/NS.html

Non-smoking bars do quite well without a ban. Smokers and non-smokers can both be happy!

As a non-smoker, I would be more than happy to go to the non-smoking bars.

Fuck that. Keep the laws banning smoking. I hate going to restaurants when I'm out of state because of all the smokers. Most people don't smoke and don't want to go to places that people smoke in. Majority rules.

The majority of people in the US are Christian, I suppose we should go ahead and make that the official US religion.

Being Christian doesn't kill people.

You said yourself majority rules, suck it up and bend your knee!