I'm taking a stand!

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: scott916
TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose not to smoke.

TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose to smoke.

No he doesn't. All he is asking for is a compromise.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: scott916

Originally posted by: moshquerade
so open a bar in your own home.
i've already stated what i want.

TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose not to smoke. Guess what, some bars have naked chicks in them. If you don't want to see tits, don't go to a titty bar. If you don't want to have to deal with second hand smoke, go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking. You're simply stating you have more of a right to have things your way because you feel the other perspective is wrong.

The issue here isn't that most people feel that smokers should be able to smoke wherever they want. The issue is that it should be up to the owner of the establishment and its principal patrons rather than the government. I for one smoke occasionally, but I would prefer to have the bar area be smoke free or at least sectioned. However, if there was a bar that I enjoyed that allowed smoking, I would certainly support the decision of the bar's owner and patronize it if I still so chose. If the smoking was such an issue that I couldn't stand it, I'd go somewhere else. It's quite simple, really.

what kind of danger do tits present to me? maybe if i get hit hard enough with them in the face i'll get a couple of shiners?
topless women and smoking... not a fair comparison.

i don't want everyone to bend to my will. i just don't want to be exposed to their smoke.
i've already said i am selfish about this, and that smokers are just as selfish. what more can i say?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: scott916
TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose not to smoke.

TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose to smoke.

No he doesn't. All he is asking for is a compromise. Something that your history of posts show very little support of in a great variety of subject material.

now stop. that was an unneeded potshot.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: scott916
TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose not to smoke.

TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose to smoke.

TBH, what I want is for everyone to bend over and STFU.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: scott916
TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose not to smoke.

TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose to smoke.

TBH, what I want is for everyone to bend over and STFU.

KINKY!!!!!!

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: moshquerade


now stop. that was an unneeded potshot.

Fair enough. I'll edit it.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: scott916

Originally posted by: moshquerade
so open a bar in your own home.
i've already stated what i want.

TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose not to smoke. Guess what, some bars have naked chicks in them. If you don't want to see tits, don't go to a titty bar. If you don't want to have to deal with second hand smoke, go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking. You're simply stating you have more of a right to have things your way because you feel the other perspective is wrong.

The issue here isn't that most people feel that smokers should be able to smoke wherever they want. The issue is that it should be up to the owner of the establishment and its principal patrons rather than the government. I for one smoke occasionally, but I would prefer to have the bar area be smoke free or at least sectioned. However, if there was a bar that I enjoyed that allowed smoking, I would certainly support the decision of the bar's owner and patronize it if I still so chose. If the smoking was such an issue that I couldn't stand it, I'd go somewhere else. It's quite simple, really.

what kind of danger do tits present to me? maybe if i get hit hard enough with them in the face i'll get a couple of shiners?
topless women and smoking... not a fair comparison.

i don't want everyone to bend to my will. i just don't want to be exposed to their smoke.
i've already said i am selfish about this, and that smokers are just as selfish. what more can i say?

And as has been said many a time, you don't have to go to smoking establishments. If they cater to smokers, it's who they prefer to cater to.

Obviously they are not catering to you then. =)

Some people genuinely don't care and go to either place, but those who do care should vote with their feet, not force their opinions down others throats with freedom-strangling legislation, lest we become like the UK.

Note: Below is a real poster from the UK.

http://www.mactonnies.com/watchfuleyes.jpg

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: BudAshes
They should ban drinking at bars too. Alcohol is bad for you.

That's not the point. I could see banning alcohol if everyone who drank it in turn immediately peed all over everyone else..

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Greatest nanny legislation the govt has ever passed.

Sure...if you are a non-smoker. You realize that there will be someone else posting that exact same thing if say all unhealthy food were to be banned too right? Next, you will also have another person say that if there is a ban on all forms of birth control. After that, it will be porn on the internet. Need I go on?

You are missing the point of the ban.

It's not so much that its unhealthy to the smoker, its that they blow all their smoke into common air, and its bad for everyone else. if you swalled the smoke instead of exhaling, it wouldn't be an issue.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: oogabooga
Should we legislate that meltdown's posts can't be debated as part of the smoking ban. He will be the new king of ATOT and end all debate in ATOT. We'll be led by the wisdom of the canucks :beer:

All in favor?
I say Aye.

it's about freaking time.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: meltdown75
the whole province here is smoke-free. you can only smoke in designated areas and certainly not in bars / restaurants.

i bet the gov't is kicking themselves now though, since their casino revenues are being lost to Americans that refuse to visit casinos that don't allow smoking. they should have made an exception with casinos. no one wants to gamble without a ciggy!

I don't want to gamble next to someone who is smoking. And I have money to gamble. I don't see your logic.

son, $20 is not gambling.

I could blow a grand and not get too upset about it.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: scott916

Originally posted by: moshquerade
so open a bar in your own home.
i've already stated what i want.

TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose not to smoke. Guess what, some bars have naked chicks in them. If you don't want to see tits, don't go to a titty bar. If you don't want to have to deal with second hand smoke, go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking. You're simply stating you have more of a right to have things your way because you feel the other perspective is wrong.

The issue here isn't that most people feel that smokers should be able to smoke wherever they want. The issue is that it should be up to the owner of the establishment and its principal patrons rather than the government. I for one smoke occasionally, but I would prefer to have the bar area be smoke free or at least sectioned. However, if there was a bar that I enjoyed that allowed smoking, I would certainly support the decision of the bar's owner and patronize it if I still so chose. If the smoking was such an issue that I couldn't stand it, I'd go somewhere else. It's quite simple, really.

what kind of danger do tits present to me? maybe if i get hit hard enough with them in the face i'll get a couple of shiners?
topless women and smoking... not a fair comparison.

i don't want everyone to bend to my will. i just don't want to be exposed to their smoke.
i've already said i am selfish about this, and that smokers are just as selfish. what more can i say?

And as has been said many a time, you don't have to go to smoking establishments. If they cater to smokers, it's who they prefer to cater to.

Obviously they are not catering to you then. =)

what if you live in a one horse town and there are only a couple of bars/restaurants in the area? none of them are non-smoking b/c there is no ban. so i should just stay home?
see.... you think this is all easily solved. it's not.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: BudAshes
They should ban drinking at bars too. Alcohol is bad for you.

That's not the point. I could see banning alcohol if everyone who drank it in turn immediately peed all over everyone else..

You realize that you are in 100% control of the amount of exposure to second hand smoke which actually results in noticeable negative effects on your health right? It really is easy to avoid crossing that line unless you either work in a smokey environment or live with a smoker who smokes indoors. The only other possibility would be the one where you really do spend that much time in recreational establishments that are smokey such as certain bars, but I doubt that since no one really does. The ones that do usually could care less about smokers.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: BudAshes
They should ban drinking at bars too. Alcohol is bad for you.

That's not the point. I could see banning alcohol if everyone who drank it in turn immediately peed all over everyone else..

People still drink and drive, or drink and fight, or drink do any other of dumb things which present just as great of a threat as second hand smoke.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't go to bars where smoking is allowed, but it's ridiculous that they made it illegal. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in his place, it should be his choice.

Sorry. But the people in charge are looking out for the health of the citizens. Banning smoking in public places including bars 'IS' a good thing.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: BudAshes
They should ban drinking at bars too. Alcohol is bad for you.

That's not the point. I could see banning alcohol if everyone who drank it in turn immediately peed all over everyone else..

People still drink and drive, or drink and fight, or drink do any other of dumb things which present just as great of a threat as second hand smoke.

NakedFrog, you're one of the brighter posters on here.. but that just me me lol, isn't that shit illegal too?

I don't think smokers, who are desensitized to the smells and irritants of sh smoke, realize that non smokers want to sucker punch them the shit smells so bad when the blow smoke in their direction. It makes my eyes water, my nose itch, my clothes stink, my hair stink, and it makes breathing more difficult. Just bout the only other thing that could do that would taking a dump on my head. I'd break somebody's kneecaps for that.

Whenever I go out to a bar, and someone is smoking and their ss smoke comes in my direction, my first thought is "fucking asshole insensitive prick!"

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Greatest nanny legislation the govt has ever passed.

Sure...if you are a non-smoker. You realize that there will be someone else posting that exact same thing if say all unhealthy food were to be banned too right? Next, you will also have another person say that if there is a ban on all forms of birth control. After that, it will be porn on the internet. Need I go on?

You are missing the point of the ban.

It's not so much that its unhealthy to the smoker, its that they blow all their smoke into common air, and its bad for everyone else. if you swalled the smoke instead of exhaling, it wouldn't be an issue.

You are missing the point that countries like the UK started off making decisions like this and look where it got them? Little by little, the freedom was crushed. This is especially ludicrous considering there are very reasonable solutions to this issue which do not involve such strict bans on smoking. I have already presented those solutions in this thread. Have you read them?

 

[darrontrask]

Here is what happens alot in where I am from in WNY. We all go to our favorites bar, have a few beers and need a smoke. not wanting to stand ing the cold or rain, we jump in our cars and head on down the road and smoke. have a few beers at the next bar until we need a smoke and the cycle is repeated. As you can well imagine, I don't promote drinking and driving, but I wouldn't have to if assholes that like to infringe on my rights would back off and stay home if they dont like the smoke.

Dairy products make me physically sick along with my kids. I guess I need to meet with my legislators and ban the sale of milk. Hell, lets kill all the cows while we are at it they have potentially dangerous amounts of fat that cause heart disease.

And you know what. I like to eat chicken on Sundays, we need to force Chik-fil-a to open on sundays they should have no right to operate the days they want. I want chicken damn it.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: scott916
TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose not to smoke.

TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose to smoke.

No he doesn't. All he is asking for is a compromise. Something that your history of posts show very little support of in a great variety of subject material.

lol...whatever dude. I bet you're one of the people who still insist on taking me overly seriously on here.

Compromise = both sides lose

The thing is - it's a rights thing.

I have a right to breath smoke-free air.

Smokers have a right to smoke.

The two rights are contradictory to each other. So who's is more important? I see things as since smoking is a health risk, I shouldn't be subjected to it. If you want to ruin your own health and do something which is bad for your body, that's fine. I dont' care. But your actions shouldn't be allowed to also subject me to that same substance which is bad for my health. People have said well people eat bad food which is bad for them, ban that too! Well....you eating horribly doesn't affect my body, so it's not at all the same.

You say it's about the rights of property owners. I doubt there would be a single bar which, if allowed, would decide to not allow smoking over allowing smoking. Not that I care much personally, because I rarely go to bars.

I think smoking should be banned in public - even outdoors, except for perhaps designated areas.

Why? Becuase walking around San Fran or something and trying to enjoy the nice bay air only to have that ruined by smokers is not something I found enjoyable. Smoke is very offensive to me, it causes me to cough badly.

Imagine a horribly offensive odor and airborne substance which causes you to cough and be extremely uncomfortable. Now imagine that many people all around you secrete this and cause you discomfort. Would you like that? Smokers don't care because....well they smoke and it doesn't bother them. But they don't stop to think (most at least) about what it does to others, and they don't care. But if the situations were reversed I think you wouldn't mind a ban.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't go to bars where smoking is allowed, but it's ridiculous that they made it illegal. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in his place, it should be his choice.

Sorry. But the people in charge are looking out for the health of the citizens. Banning smoking in public places including bars 'IS' a good thing.

Gee..let's let the "People In Charge" make all our decisions! They could..pick a career for me..pick my boss...pick what I eat, and tell me what medicines to take and how to treat my body.

It is for the "health of the citizens" right?

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: darrontrask
Here is what happens alot in where I am from in WNY. We all go to our favorites bar, have a few beers and need a smoke. not wanting to stand ing the cold or rain, we jump in our cars and head on down the road and smoke. have a few beers at the next bar until we need a smoke and the cycle is repeated. As you can well imagine, I don't promote drinking and driving, but I wouldn't have to if assholes that like to infringe on my rights would back off and stay home if they dont like the smoke.

Dairy products make me physically sick along with my kids. I guess I need to meet with my legislators and ban the sale of milk. Hell, lets kill all the cows while we are at it they have potentially dangerous amounts of fat that cause heart disease.

And you know what. I like to eat chicken on Sundays, we need to force Chik-fil-a to open on sundays they should have no right to operate the days they want. I want chicken damn it.

What about the assholes that like to infringe on my rights? Shouldn't they back off and stay home and smoke if they liked to smoke?

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: scott916

Originally posted by: moshquerade
so open a bar in your own home.
i've already stated what i want.

TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose not to smoke. Guess what, some bars have naked chicks in them. If you don't want to see tits, don't go to a titty bar. If you don't want to have to deal with second hand smoke, go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking. You're simply stating you have more of a right to have things your way because you feel the other perspective is wrong.

The issue here isn't that most people feel that smokers should be able to smoke wherever they want. The issue is that it should be up to the owner of the establishment and its principal patrons rather than the government. I for one smoke occasionally, but I would prefer to have the bar area be smoke free or at least sectioned. However, if there was a bar that I enjoyed that allowed smoking, I would certainly support the decision of the bar's owner and patronize it if I still so chose. If the smoking was such an issue that I couldn't stand it, I'd go somewhere else. It's quite simple, really.

what kind of danger do tits present to me? maybe if i get hit hard enough with them in the face i'll get a couple of shiners?
topless women and smoking... not a fair comparison.

i don't want everyone to bend to my will. i just don't want to be exposed to their smoke.
i've already said i am selfish about this, and that smokers are just as selfish. what more can i say?

And as has been said many a time, you don't have to go to smoking establishments. If they cater to smokers, it's who they prefer to cater to.

Obviously they are not catering to you then. =)

what if you live in a one horse town and there are only a couple of bars/restaurants in the area? none of them are non-smoking b/c there is no ban. so i should just stay home?
see.... you think this is all easily solved. it's not.

Actually, if no one in your town wants to have anywhere for non-smokers to drink, that is their prerogative, and you should find something else to do or drink elsewhere.

That's like saying "Why are there no straight bars in the Castro district? Should I just stay home?" if you are straight in a gay neighborhood.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: darrontrask
Here is what happens alot in where I am from in WNY. We all go to our favorites bar, have a few beers and need a smoke. not wanting to stand ing the cold or rain, we jump in our cars and head on down the road and smoke. have a few beers at the next bar until we need a smoke and the cycle is repeated. As you can well imagine, I don't promote drinking and driving, but I wouldn't have to if assholes that like to infringe on my rights would back off and stay home if they dont like the smoke.

Dairy products make me physically sick along with my kids. I guess I need to meet with my legislators and ban the sale of milk. Hell, lets kill all the cows while we are at it they have potentially dangerous amounts of fat that cause heart disease.

And you know what. I like to eat chicken on Sundays, we need to force Chik-fil-a to open on sundays they should have no right to operate the days they want. I want chicken damn it.

worse excuse ever for drinking and driving. :|

just go outside and puff, and go back in. it's not always cold and raining either, and so what if it is. wear a jacket or use an umbrella.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: OdiN
Compromise = both sides lose

No...that's called a bad compromise. Read my posts about how Florida handles this problem. They are using a great compromise. Both the smokers and non-smokers are very content here. Most of them believe that both sides win.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: scott916

Originally posted by: moshquerade
so open a bar in your own home.
i've already stated what i want.

TBH, what you want is for everyone to bend to your will because you choose not to smoke. Guess what, some bars have naked chicks in them. If you don't want to see tits, don't go to a titty bar. If you don't want to have to deal with second hand smoke, go to a bar that doesn't allow smoking. You're simply stating you have more of a right to have things your way because you feel the other perspective is wrong.

The issue here isn't that most people feel that smokers should be able to smoke wherever they want. The issue is that it should be up to the owner of the establishment and its principal patrons rather than the government. I for one smoke occasionally, but I would prefer to have the bar area be smoke free or at least sectioned. However, if there was a bar that I enjoyed that allowed smoking, I would certainly support the decision of the bar's owner and patronize it if I still so chose. If the smoking was such an issue that I couldn't stand it, I'd go somewhere else. It's quite simple, really.

what kind of danger do tits present to me? maybe if i get hit hard enough with them in the face i'll get a couple of shiners?
topless women and smoking... not a fair comparison.

i don't want everyone to bend to my will. i just don't want to be exposed to their smoke.
i've already said i am selfish about this, and that smokers are just as selfish. what more can i say?

And as has been said many a time, you don't have to go to smoking establishments. If they cater to smokers, it's who they prefer to cater to.

Obviously they are not catering to you then. =)

what if you live in a one horse town and there are only a couple of bars/restaurants in the area? none of them are non-smoking b/c there is no ban. so i should just stay home?
see.... you think this is all easily solved. it's not.

Actually, if no one in your town wants to have anywhere for non-smokers to drink, that is their prerogative, and you should find something else to do or drink elsewhere.

you are making the same damn argument i have (insert "smokers" where you put "non-smokers" and yet you don't think i should have an argument.