Question I'm throwing in the towel

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7beauties

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Dear Friends, I refuse to pay $2K or more for a single graphics card, especially since the original MSRP for Nvidia's RTX 3080 was $700, but I've seen prices for it as high as $2,700K. That's ridiculous.. I'll take up some other hobby/ies in the meantime. I wish you, who are still on this ever-inclining treadmill, that you'll find what you want. Good luck.
 
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Mopetar

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I don't care. My 1080gtx is still perfectly fine for 1k and 2k gaming.

Honestly if FSR support takes off you could probably get another year or two out of it. As much as I don't like the idea of the upscaling/upsampling technologies as a means by which companies are going to try to market and push low-end cards as more capable than they really are, it does provide some extra life for older cards that people may not be able to afford a replacement for right now.
 

VirtualLarry

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Most gamers are limping along on much less than a 1080.
I guess, therefore, even though I bought last-gen cards, I see why @bigboxes said that I was part of the problem.

My farm is mostly GTX 1660 Super/Ti and RX 5700/XT cards. A couple of RX 5600XT and GTX 1650 too.

I had sold / gave away most of my prior cards, like my Polaris cards. (I didn't understand under-volting at the time, so I mistakenly believed that Polaris cards were in-efficient.)

Edit: Important note!

Although I ratcheted up the hyperbole to make an arguement, I harbor no ill will towards bigboxes, and I ask that you all do the same. Don't read the prior and decide to "take sides" please. I don't mean to diminish bigboxes's good reputation in any way due to our heated exchange either.

In fact, we just virtually shared a drink. So, he good, I good, and readers should be too.
 
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tamz_msc

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For the record, I believe that one aspect that led to Crypto-currency's creation, was the belief that the "current banking system" was a "waste of resources", and they chose to "innovate them out of existance".

For sure though, I mean, sending thousands (millions) of diesel trucks around between bulding to building, hauling cash, and burning fossil fuels, is so much more efficient than a computer network and PCs running it. Right? It's not like the current banking system has no overhead, as far as resource usage, and it certainly has a LOT of downsides, when dealing with banks and whatnot.

Why not use a hassle-free electronic system, where citizens contract with citizens DIRECTLY, and cut out the (bloated, IMHO) middleman layer.

The internet allows us to communicate around-the-world, at the speed of light (nearly), for such a low price that consumer network connections are usually mostly "unlimited" (well, aside from Comcast)... why not do the same thing with our system of money, that the internet did to the postal and parcel services?

Or do you want to make the internet illegal, because it's a "waste of resources", and "we already had the postal system". Because that seems to be your position on this matter.
I'd be wary of believing in anything that technological utopians promise the masses. And 15 transactions per second with 34 KWh required per transaction is horribly inefficient and wasteful.
 

BFG10K

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Dear Friends, I refuse to pay $2K or more for a single graphics card, especially since the original MSRP for Nvidia's RTX 3080 was $700, but I've seen prices for it as high as $2,700K. That's ridiculous.. I'll take up some other hobby/ies in the meantime. I wish you, who are still on this ever-inclining treadmill, that you'll find what you want. Good luck.
Another option is to play one of the tens of thousands of other PC games that don't don't require high-end hardware.

The situation is inexcusable for sure, but it's still possible to game.
 

GodisanAtheist

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I guess, therefore, even though I bought last-gen cards, I see why @bigboxes said that I was part of the problem.

My farm is mostly GTX 1660 Super/Ti and RX 5700/XT cards. A couple of RX 5600XT and GTX 1650 too.

I had sold / gave away most of my prior cards, like my Polaris cards. (I didn't understand under-volting at the time, so I mistakenly believed that Polaris cards were in-efficient.)

Edit: Important note!

Although I ratcheted up the hyperbole to make an arguement, I harbor no ill will towards bigboxes, and I ask that you all do the same. Don't read the prior and decide to "take sides" please. I don't mean to diminish bigboxes's good reputation in any way due to our heated exchange either.

In fact, we just virtually shared a drink. So, he good, I good, and readers should be too.

- Damn, I love happy endings *wipes away tears*

I also like when stories have happy endings too, like Larry & Boxes
 

gdansk

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Feb 8, 2011
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Nvidia said they sold a record number of cards, but I saw a video saying production was something like 1/4 of normal levels. Makes sense. Doesn't seem like they are making any cards to be honest.
That video was wrong. Look at Nvidia's financial reports. They are shipping more big dies GPUs than ever before.
 

gdansk

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Regarding mining, I think it is a transitory period as we collectively try to develop better ways of recording transactions. One of these technologies has the possibility of being a better base for financial transactions than the present system. But BTC or any PoW are probably dead ends.

Banning it might be beneficial but on the other hand I worry they'd ban too much and chill the search for open solutions. While it would be nice to stop the side effects of mining I also don't want the present financial institutions to win by default.
 
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moonbogg

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That video was wrong. Look at Nvidia's financial reports. They are shipping more big dies GPUs than ever before.

That sounds very strange to hear. Not saying it's false or anything, but very strange. GPU's still don't exist, so where are they all going? Is the entire generation of 3000 series GPUs in mining warehouses and on ebay? Because most gamers like me certainly don't have them. They are priced so high as if they are some sort of alien technology that reverses aging or something.

Also, I thought Nvidia was affected by the global chip shortage issue. If they are shipping more GPUs than ever before, then certainly the chip shortage has no effect on them, right? How can they be making more GPUs during the worst of times than they made during the best of times?
 
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IndyColtsFan

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I decided to jump on a premade with a price that was reasonably close to MSRP.

Almost a month in, and no regrets. 3060Ti is a beauty.

I bought a minimally spec’ed Alienware with a 3080, beefed up the system, and then removed the card and sold the rest of the system to my brother. It didn’t hurt that I also had a huge discount code.
 
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gdansk

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That sounds very strange to hear. Not saying it's false or anything, but very strange. GPU's still don't exist, so where are they all going? Is the entire generation of 3000 series GPUs in mining warehouses and on ebay? Because most gamers like me certainly don't have them. They are priced so high as if they are some sort of alien technology that reverses aging or something.

Also, I thought Nvidia was affected by the global chip shortage issue. If they are shipping more GPUs than ever before, then certainly the chip shortage has no effect on them, right? How can they be making more GPUs during the worst of times than they made during the best of times?
Simply put a shortage is relative to demand and there is far more demand for Ampere than the previous generation. As an example Q1 was up over 100% in gaming revenue compared to pre-Ampere. Normally it dies down in Q1 but that didn't happen and Nvidia's Q2 guidance didn't expect demand to reduce either.

They don't get two consecutive record quarters by not shipping GPUs, especially when Ampere barely increased MSRPs.
 
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aigomorla

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my friend told me as a joke i should buy a used 3060 RTX from a Chinese miner with bitcoins.
Seeing how they all pissed us off, and bitcoins are now ban'd in china.
 

moonbogg

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Simply put a shortage is relative to demand and there is far more demand for Ampere than the previous generation. As an example Q1 was up over 100% in gaming revenue compared to pre-Ampere. Normally it dies down in Q1 but that didn't happen and Nvidia's Q2 guidance didn't expect demand to reduce either.

They don't get two consecutive record quarters by not shipping GPUs, especially when Ampere barely increased MSRPs.

I'm sure the truth is simpler than that. Truth: Jensen couldn't make any GPU's and miners use babies as dart boards for fun.
 

jpiniero

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That sounds very strange to hear. Not saying it's false or anything, but very strange. GPU's still don't exist, so where are they all going? Is the entire generation of 3000 series GPUs in mining warehouses and on ebay?

Pretty much. Don't forget about reviving Turing production which is the majority of the CMP sales.
 

nosurprises

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Enjoy your Fiat dollars, when the Fed prints so many and devalues them into nothing. Enjoy brings a wheel-barrow full of money to walmart to shop for milk.
Bitcoin won't overtake the dollar as the legitimate form of currency. If that could happen, bitcoin will be banned.

Anyway, I think buying a console at this market is a good move. You get better value buying an XBOX and PS4 for gaming than getting a graphic card.
 

Golgatha

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Jul 18, 2003
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After being vigilant on finding deals, mixing that with a pinch of luck at Micro Center, and being able to sell my old cards at a premium; I've ended up with a 3090, 3080, 3070 ti, and 3070 for the computers in my household. After selling off two GTX 1080s and one GTX 1080 ti, I spent about $3400 out of pocket on video cards in the last 9 months. Expensive to be sure, but I feel like we're good on video cards for the next 3-5 years, and frankly, my teenage boys are going to buy the next round of upgrades because they'll all be able to get jobs in the next 3-5 years.
 

DAPUNISHER

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As a nearly life long combat sports participant, the thread title triggers me. The correct analogy would be tapping out or as hands of stone put it "no mas".

And the suggestion to switch from the PC; the most ubiquitous and accessible gaming platform, to Sony's closed ecosystem, is sheer madness. The Xbox is more feasible, because of the cross platform support. But still silly. As suggested, hit up your backlog, or support GOG, and grab some old classics you missed the first go around. Try a genre you usually don't play, or reduce settings and stop being spoiled babies. We may have passed peaked scalping, but evidently have yet to reach peak whining.
 
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