I'm tired of being fat

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Wolfsraider

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I have the same problems walking helps but I can't run nor swim else I am in too much pain. I can't sleep regular hours too much pain I weigh 220 at 6'2" supposed to be 180
I smoke which doesn't help either. I can't afford doctor visits. I am about to turn 47 (at 23). When I had my back surgery the doc recommended walking 7 miles a day. My advice start small a mile or under each day. after a few weeks add 4-6 blocks etc eat smaller meals more often, never skip breakfast, get metabolism kicking in off the bat. eat smaller as the day progresses and nothing 3 hours before bed. for the belly do crunches start real small 5 at a time 5 times a day increasing1 each time each day. I just started walking 2 days ago and am doing the crunches as well. whatever you can do, do it daily, it really can help. Good luck to you too.

Mike
 

Zebo

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If he's on pain meds for a fucked up back wouldn't jogging make things worse?
What about swimming or cycling?

I didnt see that. Yes then Spin Class, same HRM principles so your working but not working too hard.

Bonus with Spin Class is 95% women so it's easier on the eyes than track.

I don't really have sympathy for injuries I've broken 14 bones, big ones, many tune up surgeries to fix them, separated my patella tendon where knee cap was in middle of thigh etc and still get out there every day. most go away and you feel them when not exercising like on a cruise - body unlike a car gets stronger and tougher more you use it. Weaker more pain as you relax.
 
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Zebo

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I have the same problems walking helps but I can't run nor swim else I am in too much pain. I can't sleep regular hours too much pain I weigh 220 at 6'2" supposed to be 180
I smoke which doesn't help either. I can't afford doctor visits. I am about to turn 47 (at 23). When I had my back surgery the doc recommended walking 7 miles a day. My advice start small a mile or under each day. after a few weeks add 4-6 blocks etc eat smaller meals more often, never skip breakfast, get metabolism kicking in off the bat. eat smaller as the day progresses and nothing 3 hours before bed. for the belly do crunches start real small 5 at a time 5 times a day increasing1 each time each day. I just started walking 2 days ago and am doing the crunches as well. whatever you can do, do it daily, it really can help. Good luck to you too.

Mike

Smoking is a big impediment to healthy lifestyle plus the whole small lung cell cancer thing. See if you can find a free clinic and get some bupropion a smoking cestation drug. Also, heavy exercise will help. If you get lungs moving I can't see wanting to pollute them. Good luck and stick w/ it. First 6 weeks are toughest after that you'll want to get out there.
 

Raizinman

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I started out by setting a 60 minute timer. Every hour I would do:
1) 15 Juming Jacks
2) 5 push ups
3) 60 seconds of running in place
4) 10 Touch Toes
5) 10 Squat thrusts

After a week I would increase. Doing this every hour really makes a big difference and increase or decrease as you feel comfortable.
 

pelov

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I started out by setting a 60 minute timer. Every hour I would do:
1) 15 Juming Jacks
2) 5 push ups
3) 60 seconds of running in place
4) 10 Touch Toes
5) 10 Squat thrusts

After a week I would increase. Doing this every hour really makes a big difference and increase or decrease as you feel comfortable.

That's the most solid advice I've seen yet. Calisthenics is definitely the way to go if you plan on losing weight and simultaneously toning your muscles. Pushups, jumping jacks, burpees, situps are all great exercises for losing weight. High volume is the way to go here and these are all exercises that, with enough time and buildup of endurance, you'll be doing more than 20 reps before you know it. I started out the same way and I'm up to 60+ pushups a set, 50+ situps. Granted, I was never really heavy but the exercise routine is much the same.

Don't avoid carbs but rather slim down on your carb intake. If you're not looking to build muscle then don't focus too much on your protein intake either because that means consuming more calories -- maybe 100grams a day would be sufficient. Generally, the best advice is 1-2 grams of protein per day per pound of bodyweight, but that's for people who are looking to gain weight and muscle mass. That usually means you take in well over 2k calories a day. I tend to eat 6 meals a day and around 200 grams of protein and about 2.5k to 3k calories a day, which is far too much for someone looking to lose weight but it's a direct consequence of the protein intake. The best diet advice would be to eat healthy but eat less.

Finally, make your routine a daily habit. The first few weeks might be tough and you'll feel like you want to roll around in bed rather than get up and start sweating your nuts off but once you get over that hump it should become a part of your daily ritual. I can't go a single day without doing at least a single exercise, otherwise I feel the complete day has been wasted.

hope this helps
 

blinky8225

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Eating carbs might help you lose weight, but for the depressed, it helps promote serotonin functioning.

In fact, depressed persons are known to consume more carbs, essentially self-medicating. The stereotype of the person hugging the tub of ice cream while feeling blue is there for a reason, and modern neuroscience is showing that it's not merely just one sinfully gorging on simple pleasures as a coping mechanism.

However, what you want to do is eat more complex carbs. This will keep your insulin level balanced for a longer period of time without needing to frequently load up on the carbs to prevent the crash.

This means more whole grains.

Here's an excellent guide on good mood food for depression.

http://www.foodforthebrain.org/content.asp?id_Content=1635
I'm not sure if whole grains are such a good idea. Whole grain bread pretty much has the same GI as white bread. (Source: http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Glycemic_index_and_glycemic_load_for_100_foods.htm)

Adding fat (like butter with the bread) slows gastric emptying and lowers the GI, however. While it is a long shot, some research has linked gluten sensitivity with mental illnesses. Wouldn't hurt to try gluten-free for a few weeks.
 

Pantlegz

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I'm not sure if whole grains are such a good idea. Whole grain bread pretty much has the same GI as white bread. (Source: http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Glycemic_index_and_glycemic_load_for_100_foods.htm)

Adding fat (like butter with the bread) slows gastric emptying and lowers the GI, however. While it is a long shot, some research has linked gluten sensitivity with mental illnesses. Wouldn't hurt to try gluten-free for a few weeks.

Except they also suggest eating whole grains...

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/pyramid-full-story/index.html
 
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Where is the OP?
Where is the OP?
Where is the OP?
Where is the OP?
Where is the OP?

One post and no discussion back and forth with us?

Anyway ... eat less. Try to exercise if back is up to it.
 

blinky8225

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Yes, they do. It's quite odd that their nutritional recommendations are out of sync with their own data or perhaps, I'm the obtuse one here.

From here http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/carbohydrates-full-story/index.html:
Diets rich in high-glycemic-index foods, which cause quick and strong increases in blood sugar levels, have been linked to an increased risk for diabetes, (5) heart disease, (6, 7) and overweight, (8, 9,10) and there is preliminary work linking high-glycemic diets to age-related macular degeneration, (11) ovulatory infertility, (12) and colorectal cancer. (13) Foods with a low glycemic index have been shown to help control type 2 diabetes and improve weight loss. Other studies, though, have found that the glycemic index has little effect on weight or health. This sort of flip-flop is part of the normal process of science, and it means that the true value of the glycemic index remains to be determined. In the meantime, eating whole grains, beans, fruits, and vegetables—all foods with a low glycemic index—is indisputably good for many aspects of health.

However, http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Glycemic_index_and_glycemic_load_for_100_foods.htm shows that your average whole wheat bread has a GI of 71, which in indisputably high. Perhaps the lesson here is that you may even have to be selective about the type of whole grain that you're consuming. http://www.glycemicindex.com/ reveals that whole grain breads based on barley and rye have much less offending GIs than breads from whole wheat. So, perhaps the recommendation really should be to remove wheat from one's diet.
 

Pantlegz

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Yes, they do. It's quite odd that their nutritional recommendations are out of sync with their own data or perhaps, I'm the obtuse one here.

From here http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/carbohydrates-full-story/index.html:


However, http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Glycemic_index_and_glycemic_load_for_100_foods.htm shows that your average whole wheat bread has a GI of 71, which in indisputably high. Perhaps the lesson here is that you may even have to be selective about the type of whole grain that you're consuming. http://www.glycemicindex.com/ reveals that whole grain breads based on barley and rye have much less offending GIs than breads from whole wheat. So, perhaps the recommendation really should be to remove wheat from one's diet.

I agree their data is sort of contradicting but at the same time they don't say only eat low GI foods. Suggesting that eating any high GI foods would lead to any of those diseases is a bit much. Along with most everything else as long as it's in moderation and well balanced there is nothing inherently bad about high GI whole grains, that I've found in research at least. And obviously not all whole grains are created equally and whole foods have a lower GI than anything that has been processed(cereal, bread etc.)
 

KidNiki1

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people who automatically answer 'eat less' .... are you sure?

how about eat better, eat smarter and eat healthier.
i recently found out that i basically spent the last however many years under eating and causing my body to hold on to fat more. eat less is not always the right answer and should not be the knee-jerk response. i'm eating more calories per day now than i even thought i should. i am also eating a lot healthier now tho as well. and exercising way more. and losing weight.

so i am going to again recommend reading the Fat loss sticky here in this subforum. there is a TON of good information in it. educate yourself from people who know and took the time to put that knowledge in one place.
 

Pantlegz

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people who automatically answer 'eat less' .... are you sure?

how about eat better, eat smarter and eat healthier.
i recently found out that i basically spent the last however many years under eating and causing my body to hold on to fat more. eat less is not always the right answer and should not be the knee-jerk response. i'm eating more calories per day now than i even thought i should. i am also eating a lot healthier now tho as well. and exercising way more. and losing weight.

so i am going to again recommend reading the Fat loss sticky here in this subforum. there is a TON of good information in it. educate yourself from people who know and took the time to put that knowledge in one place.

at 70lbs over weight the OP isn't under eating. If you're having trouble losing weight at a decent bf% then under eating is a possibility. My original eat less answer was from OT not H&F. I do agree that not only should the OP eat less but also healthier and smarter.

And exercise plays a fairly small role in weight loss. It can help some but typically weight loss is all diet related.
 

KidNiki1

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at 70lbs over weight the OP isn't under eating. If you're having trouble losing weight at a decent bf% then under eating is a possibility. My original eat less answer was from OT not H&F. I do agree that not only should the OP eat less but also healthier and smarter.

And exercise plays a fairly small role in weight loss. It can help some but typically weight loss is all diet related.

i guess my point is... i am eating more food now than i ever was when i was trying to lose weight in the past. but i am also eating less calories over all. im eating smarter. eating more veggies and proteins. which means i can eat more food, for less calorie cost. i also stopped drinking any calories (no soda, no juice, etc).

that's why it isn't necessarily about eating 'less' but eating smarter, imo.
 
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Eating carbs might help you lose weight, but for the depressed, it helps promote serotonin functioning.

In fact, depressed persons are known to consume more carbs, essentially self-medicating. The stereotype of the person hugging the tub of ice cream while feeling blue is there for a reason, and modern neuroscience is showing that it's not merely just one sinfully gorging on simple pleasures as a coping mechanism.

However, what you want to do is eat more complex carbs. This will keep your insulin level balanced for a longer period of time without needing to frequently load up on the carbs to prevent the crash.

This means more whole grains.

Here's an excellent guide on good mood food for depression.

http://www.foodforthebrain.org/content.asp?id_Content=1635

A way to increase serotonin levels may be reached in a way that is an advantage for the OP.
OP, you want to burn calories, not over stress yourself right away and feel better.
Meet Mycobacterium vaccae. A bacteria found common in nature and is often consumed when you just spend time in nature. This little friend it seems, has the advantage according to research to increase serotonin and norepinephrine. This bacteria can have the effect of being a natural antidepressant. This bacteria is often found in soil in nature. Just spend lots of time in nature walking around, enjoying the plants, trees and little animals and of course the insects, you might pick a few up and start to feel better for many reasons. Take often walks in a park. The green plants are your friends..
 

GoStumpy

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Can I lose weight while working 7am-6pm and drinking a 24-case per week?

If not I'm not gonna bother!

-edit to include-

I got a dog last year and go for regular walks, pretty sure that is what has at least stopped my weight-gain... been 183lbs for a solid year now (at 27)
 
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TwiceOver

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I can only tell you what has worked for me:

Being sick and tired of being sick and tired of being fat
MyFitnessPal.com
AnytimeFitness full paid membership (hard not to go when you are $$$ cash in)

It's been 5 months and I am down 72 pounds as of yesterday morning and can't wait to go back in 3 hours.
 

Sixguns

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I can only tell you what has worked for me:

Being sick and tired of being sick and tired of being fat
MyFitnessPal.com
AnytimeFitness full paid membership (hard not to go when you are $$$ cash in)

It's been 5 months and I am down 72 pounds as of yesterday morning and can't wait to go back in 3 hours.

Thats it. I work with a bunch of people who do nothing but complain about being fat as they suck down a soda and eat candy all day. I was the same way and than one day my mom made a comment to me about how I was getting kind of big. That kind of opened my eyes but I still didnt care enough to really try hard and losing the weight. The day that I saw 271 lbs on the scale was the day I said no more. Now I am done to around 205lbs, happy and loving life.
 

yhelothar

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I'm not sure if whole grains are such a good idea. Whole grain bread pretty much has the same GI as white bread. (Source: http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Glycemic_index_and_glycemic_load_for_100_foods.htm)

Adding fat (like butter with the bread) slows gastric emptying and lowers the GI, however. While it is a long shot, some research has linked gluten sensitivity with mental illnesses. Wouldn't hurt to try gluten-free for a few weeks.

What I understand about whole grains is it contains many complex carbs. This means the body has to go through more digestive processes to break those sugars apart to a form that the body can use. As a result, the sugars stay in the body longer. In contrast, starchy foods such as potatoes and white grains contains a lot of glucose, which is the form that the body uses. So it doesn't need to digest it and it could absorb it up immediately. So while the whole grains may stimulate your insulin system as much as the white bread, the duration of the load wouldn't be quite as acute.
 

blinky8225

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What I understand about whole grains is it contains many complex carbs. This means the body has to go through more digestive processes to break those sugars apart to a form that the body can use. As a result, the sugars stay in the body longer. In contrast, starchy foods such as potatoes and white grains contains a lot of glucose, which is the form that the body uses. So it doesn't need to digest it and it could absorb it up immediately. So while the whole grains may stimulate your insulin system as much as the white bread, the duration of the load wouldn't be quite as acute.
This is a common myth at least when it comes to whole wheat as the link above shows. This myth is probably perpetuated by Big Agra. GI is a measure of how fast your blood sugar rises. As you can see from the data, white bread and whole wheat bread raise your blood sugar almost equally fast.
 

lotus503

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While I wasn't overweight by a ton at 5'11" 210, I was unhealthy 4 years ago. Smoked a pack a day.

One day decided I would quit smoking and buy a bike to commute to work.

After 6 weeks I was riding 150 miles per week average. I eat whatever I want because I am doing about 2 hours of cardio a day.

Best advice I could give you is try and find physical activity you enjoy, makes it much less work.

Set small goals and build on those goals. The motivation from accomplishment keeps me going even when I don't want to.
 
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