I'm totally stopping sodas - Anyone else here massively addicted?

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Red Squirrel

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I find caffeine for me is cumulative. I can have a large Tim Horton's coffee (that might be like 3-4 regular mugs worth) and be fine, but if I have it every day after 3 days I start to get the sweats, shakes, and my poop is hard to wipe. (have to wipe a lot before it's clean).

Sometimes it also makes me pee ridiculously often, but it does not hit all the time, it's odd. When the pee thing hits, then it lasts most of the day and I have to go like every 15 minutes. Maybe what I ate before affects that, not sure.
 

gammaray

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Does anyone else have a really weak tolerance to caffeine? I find if i have too much of it (and for me, too much is more than a few cans of diet coke) I start to get heart palpitations and anxious etc. Yet if you google it, that is well under the recommended daily dose of caffeine.

i am intolerant to caffeine, i can't drink coffee or else i stay awake for 24 hours with my heart racing non-stop and i wanna throw myself into the walls. Besides that, i empty myself (poop,pee) immediately after a cup and as i side effect i get a multiple hours hard on.

so, i never drink coffee. i also get anxious or get panic attacks.
 

mikeymikec

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Not when the majority of the work force consumes well over that amount of coffee and the ladies purchase a huge latte on the way every morning... Heck, many [Edit - meant many instead of most] people consume far more than 400mg with probably the average of the entirely populace around 250mg.

Is this the "many people do it so therefore it must be OK" argument?
 

mikeymikec

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Ahh, selective quoting while skimming the thread. Try again.

I did (re-read), I'm not really seeing any extra context to help understand your opinion. You were speaking in relative terms, vi_edit however was not, and I agree with his opinion. I'm not sure why you feel that my response to you was irrelevant/incorrect, but hey ho. Good for you for cutting back though.
 

hightree

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I find caffeine for me is cumulative. I can have a large Tim Horton's coffee (that might be like 3-4 regular mugs worth) and be fine, but if I have it every day after 3 days I start to get the sweats, shakes, and my poop is hard to wipe. (have to wipe a lot before it's clean).

Sometimes it also makes me pee ridiculously often, but it does not hit all the time, it's odd. When the pee thing hits, then it lasts most of the day and I have to go like every 15 minutes. Maybe what I ate before affects that, not sure.

You are probably sensitive to caffeine, which means you get symptoms of intoxication at much lower doses as most other people. If you urinate only a small amount every time, it means that caffeine irritates your bladder.
 

Chaotic42

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Where's OP at? How's it going?
Eh, I've been somewhat bad. Cold turkey is too hard. I've been tapering off with it and cooking more. Lots of beans and brown rice with less junk food in general. I'm looking forward to fall so I can get out hiking more.
 

Chaotic42

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Did a good 8 mile hike yesterday and 14 mile trail ride on a bike last weekend. Down to 224. Hopefully the goodness continues.
 
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paperfist

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Did a good 8 mile hike yesterday and 14 mile trail ride on a bike last weekend. Down to 224. Hopefully the goodness continues.

I didn't read the whole tread, but have you tried Bai Bubbles "soda"? It's not quite off the charts sweat, doesn't contain most of the stuff that make soda bad, but it's a wee bit expensive.

I never drank as much as you, but I quit cold turkey cause the alternative of having my toes tingle at night sucked.
 

slag

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Quit cold turkey last spring. I have had a couple ice cream floats since then with some peach nehi in them, but i don't drink soda anymore. Don't miss it at all either. The soda I had in a mixed drink tasted extremely sugary also and I couldn't finish it.
 

slag

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Did a good 8 mile hike yesterday and 14 mile trail ride on a bike last weekend. Down to 224. Hopefully the goodness continues.

Wish we lived closer. I'd like to find someone to do those things with. My 15 yr old son who is in cross country runs circles around me although I think i can take him on the bike. I'm 42 and 200 lbs.
 

mindmaniac

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As a dentist, I'll recommend the same thing I tell my patient's that have a sugared beverage habit. Note I didn't just say soda, because all too often I have children in the chair with rampant childhood cavities and mom and dad say they don't drink soda, but they give them juice because it's healthy. In teenagers is typically energy drinks or gatorade. Aside from the rapid decay of teeth these patient's are more often than not suffering from Type II diabetes. The body doesn't discriminate from the sugar in Coca-Cola vs apple juice.
Now I'm no prude, and grew up on a steady stream of Mountain Dew, and still love soda to this day. One of the best things I did for my teeth and body, aside from give it up entirely, is switch to Diet Sodas. We could argue all day about the health implications of artificial sweeteners, which by the way cancer was caused in rats when fed more than their body weight in aspartame (hardly a reproducible study in humans). That and limiting the number of soda's to a reasonable amount 1-2 a day and not beating yourself up for indulging on special occasions have made me a happy man. I've noticed a dramatic shift in cavities and my patient' weight when they switch from a sugared beverage to either plain water or a diet soda.
 

edro

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I completely stopped drinking diet Soda in September of 2014 when I read this article: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/nature13793.pdf
I really wish scientific papers had an "Explain it like I'm 5" section.
I see that Non-caloric artificial sweeteners (NAS) increases some bacteria and discourages others.
It is tough to discern at what quantities and the actual effect on people from that study.

Interesting rebuttals in the comments section:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v514/n7521/abs/nature13793.html
The data in this study do not support the general statement that ?artificial sweeteners? induce glucose intolerance and thus cause obesity by altering the gut microbiome?.

The extensive research conducted on aspartame and sucralose has clearly demonstrated that these compounds do not affect the gut microbiota (1,2). Aspartame is completely digested into amino acids and methanol, which are absorbed in the small intestine. Neither aspartame nor its digestion products ever reach the colon; thus aspartame itself cannot affect gut microbiota. Sucralose is not digested, and passes unchanged to the large intestine; however numerous studies show pure sucralose cannot be metabolized by microflora.

So how is it possible that these 2 sweeteners reportedly altered the gut microbiota in this study? The answer ? inappropriate statistics and huge changes in overall diet composition.

Firstly, to achieve statistical significance, the authors combined all 3 different sweetener groups (n=20/group) together into one group (n=60) and compared against the combined control groups to obtain 1 statistically significant p value! So 6 groups of 20 became 2 groups of 60, making it impossible to determine which, if any, individual sweetener had a significant effect.

Secondly, the notable impact on intake of mouse chow, by adding extremely high doses of sweetener to drinking water, was ignored. Doses and food intake can only be estimated as data were reported for just 4 of the 20 mice per group and for only 3 days of the 11-week study. Doses of the sweeteners were up to 1000 times the acceptable daily intake (ADI), and consumption of mouse chow dropped by 50% in some groups in just 72 hr. Mouse chow contains fiber, protein, fat, fermentable carbohydrates and a host of other components that have repeatedly been shown to affect both gut microbiota and glycemic indices. Clearly, these dramatic changes in diet would result in changes in microbiota, and glycemic responses. Other dietary factors were similarly not considered in the human studies.

Lastly, these conclusions do not agree with the results of the extensive testing of these sweeteners required for approval, including human clinical studies conducted in healthy and diabetic participants for periods of several weeks to months, on parameters including glycemic indices and insulin (1,2). These studies must include control groups, baseline measurements, blinding, crossover designs, and appropriate statistics to ensure no effects on these parameters with continual exposure of sweeteners, at maximum expected uses.

Thus this study provides no evidence that aspartame or sucralose alters gut microbiota or glycemic response. In contrast, the observation that saccharin at high doses alters gut microbiota was known in the 80s, and contributed to the establishment of the ADI for saccharin (3). Therefore, extrapolation of findings of effects of saccharin on the gut microbiome to all artificial sweeteners has no scientific basis and overlooks well-established differences in chemistry and metabolism.

Also not mentioned are the numerous studies demonstrating that use of low calorie sweeteners, including aspartame and sucralose, are beneficial in weight loss and weight loss maintenance programs (4,5).

The allegations that ?artificial sweeteners? contribute to glucose intolerance and obesity based on studies in this report, are unfounded and should be withdrawn.
 

mike8675309

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While this was a single study, the results were sufficiently compelling that it seems to show that at least there is a possibility that there are negative results form such low calorie sweeteners.
We already know that the longest living people do not use such artificial products. So why drink it?
 

edro

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So why drink it?
Because in the information overloaded world we live in today, you have to ignore some data.

How many times has salt been good for you, then bad for you? You can create a study to show anything.
At some point, you have to go with your experience and the anecdotes around you.
The amounts consumed in a few drinks per day is too small to have any negative effects.

There is not a perfect diet. Even fish, kale and water...
 

mike8675309

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Because in the information overloaded world we live in today, you have to ignore some data.

How many times has salt been good for you, then bad for you? You can create a study to show anything.
At some point, you have to go with your experience and the anecdotes around you.
The amounts consumed in a few drinks per day is too small to have any negative effects.

There is not a perfect diet.

It never is about identifying a perfect diet. But most of us that have regular use of the internet have the means to eat whatever it is that we want. Thus with each meal we can make a choice on if we will choose those things that are better, or worse.

As far as what do you believe? I look to the large scale population studies that track the longest lived people. Not people that simply lived a long time, but also had low risk of disabilities. (Americans already live a long time, but much of the last 10 years of their lives is in the hospital or dealing with disability).
To see that look at the findings for the Adventist Health Study 1 and the preliminary results from the Adventist Health Study 2. Look at their diet and their activity levels and look at their risks for some of the top killers in the USA and Europe.
https://publichealth.llu.edu/adventist-health-studies/findings/findings-ahs-2
 

SlitheryDee

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Because in the information overloaded world we live in today, you have to ignore some data.

How many times has salt been good for you, then bad for you? You can create a study to show anything.
At some point, you have to go with your experience and the anecdotes around you.
The amounts consumed in a few drinks per day is too small to have any negative effects.

There is not a perfect diet. Even fish, kale and water...

I suppose the proper attitude for stuff like this is to not necessarily avoid it, but also don't seek it out. The only drinks I keep at home are water and milk. Pretty much all I drink when I eat out is unsweetened tea. That means that diet soda has to make up only a small portion of my fluid intake, even though I do drink them when the mood takes me.
 

solidstar

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I think you should stop drinking soda since you already have type 2 diabetes. do you know how much sugar is in a can of soda?
 

postmortemIA

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Diet soda makes me feel horrible, especially stuff with Splenda in it. I never touch it.
There are alternatives now with natural sweeter like stevia (brand zevia), or you can find regular makers that put half sugar and some stevia into it (pepsi green), if you must have one sometimes.
 
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There are alternatives now with natural sweeter like stevia (brand zevia), or you can find regular makers that put half sugar and some stevia into it (pepsi green), if you must have one sometimes.
Why not just quit it altogether? I drink nothing but water. Crazy thing is I was urinating every 10 minutes when all I drank was soda. I always felt dehydrated. Since its water only I haven't had those issues.
 
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