The city should issue a press release saying they're to fire every teacher. After all, it's not like they're going to actually do that, it's just the opening move in negotiation, so the teachers shouldn't mind.
I realize that, but it doesn't make their list of demands and, particularly, the threat of strike any less ridiculous.
Negotiation tactic or not, shooting the moon like that so it seems more reasonable to accept something far less (closer to the 2% the district offered) is despicable IMO.
anybody that makes a career out of teaching is in a psychological rut or worthless in the real job market.
End the banking of vacation and sick days. From 2006 to 2011, CPS paid a staggering $265 million to employees for unused sick and vacation days, the Better Government Association reported earlier this year. Some of it went to top administrators, and much of it went to teachers, who are allowed by contract to bank 325 unused sick days. That must stop. Sick days should be a benefit paid when you are sick. They shouldn't be carried over year after year, ending in windfall payments when employees leave the system.
The city should issue a press release saying they're to fire every teacher. After all, it's not like they're going to actually do that, it's just the opening move in negotiation, so the teachers shouldn't mind.
now, I think paying full price for sick days is re-tard-ed. but no banking whatsover is pretty odd, as most industries allow this.
Base layoffs on performance, not seniority. In 2010, former CPS CEO Ron Huberman laid off dozens of the lowest-performing teachers first, rather than basing layoffs solely on seniority. The union sued, saying that its contract called for layoffs to be done according to tenure, unless the district had established rules for another method. That case is still in arbitration. Let's not have a repeat this year. The new contract needs to make clear: If layoffs are necessary, the worst-performing teachers go first.
Is there any benefit of this practice to anyone (other than the obvious) ? Serious non-baiting question.. I know tenure (seems) to be important in education, not sure why,.
I'm pro-teacher but anti-teacher's unions. The way that unions defend mediocrity pisses me off to no end. I think the demonization of teacher's unions is often over the top (bad parents and bad students are huge problems, pretending that every problem with our education system is because of bad teachers is silly) but they are still a strong negative influence.
Tenure was put in place so teachers and researchers wouldn't be fired for teaching controversial subjects. Of course human nature took over and they took advantage of the situation so now they can't be fired for any reason.
Is there any benefit of this practice to anyone (other than the obvious) ? Serious non-baiting question.. I know tenure (seems) to be important in education, not sure why,.
Do they ? Our sick/PTO does not "roll over" anymore & I work for a (German) company that is very generous to its employees (compared to competitors in related field)
We get 10 sick/pto days per year with a buyout %50 rate at the end of each FY..
Vacation however rolls over up to - 200 hrs IIRC, then you start taking payouts.. ( or so I hear.. extra vacation has never been a problem for me )
The other reason for tenure is that it gives teachers a safety net later in their career. If someone's been teaching for 25 years and earning incremental raises each year, they're making considerably more money than new teachers. Considering all the problems with school budgets across the country, one solution would be to fire the highest-paid teachers who are all the teachers nearing the ends of their career. Tenure eliminates that as a possibility. It can also have the disadvantage of encouraging mediocrity and stagnating the quality of education, as others have mentioned. But you have to have some system in place so teachers in their 50s aren't getting fired to be replaced by cheaper 20-year-olds.
wut?
now, I think paying full price for sick days is re-tard-ed. but no banking whatsover is pretty odd, as most industries allow this.
and not paying out unused vacation time is robbery imo, and all that would happen from disallowing it is
a) all teachers take vacation at the end of year and alot are 'sick' thus meaning you have to pay them AND hire a sub. but paying full price for sick leave upon exit is insane and should END.
Really? Who bought all that worthless shit that the rich were selling that made them rich? It certainly wasn't you, was it Mr. Mirror?
I realize that, but it doesn't make their list of demands and, particularly, the threat of strike any less ridiculous.
Negotiation tactic or not, shooting the moon like that so it seems more reasonable to accept something far less (closer to the 2% the district offered) is despicable IMO.
Investors who trusted them.
It's despicable to come to a negotiation with an unrealistic demand? I guess you haven't negotiated very often. It's pretty standard operating procedure. It's also quite standard for people in general to desire, and ask for, unrealistically large pay increases. Happens all the time with or without unions.
Then as I said, should the city have come out and said they're going to fire every teacher in the city and replace them with a TV displaying Khan Academy videos all day every day?
After all, it's just negotiation.
You're being obtuse, which is why I ignored this the first time you posted it. I don't think the city can even legally fire them in this context. Threatening to do something illegal makes the analogy a fail. The better analogy would be to start off the negotiation by saying "how about a 30% pay cut?" If they want to do this, it's certainly within their rights. Whether that is a good tactic or not is up to them.
The city should issue a press release saying they're to fire every teacher. After all, it's not like they're going to actually do that, it's just the opening move in negotiation, so the teachers shouldn't mind.
As much as the union being unreasonable, how come no one cry foul when the mayor JUST decide longer school day is necessary without any discussion? The teacher were demanded to teach additional 10-15% more time then before, thus they demand 10-15% raise. Unreasonable maybe but it go both way. How would you felt if you boss ask you to do 15% more work than before with same pay or they will fire you?