Imagine a republican controlled...

[Fanatical Meat]

Flying planes into buildings had nothing to do with the wars you mention?

Need I remind you the nation wanted blood for what happened on 9/11.

Afghanistan yes, Iraq no.

 

[soulcougher73]

Oh yay!!!!!! Another circle-jerk thread!!!! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

<leaves before the jizz starts flying>

Too late. I saw you leave with some on your chin.

 

[Texashiker]

Afghanistan yes, Iraq no.

Hindsight is 20/20.

The people wanted blood after 9/11. George Bush gave them what they wanted.

For some reason getting what you want is the republicans fault?

 

[nageov3t]

Imagine if the Republicans controlled the House, Senate, Presidency, and Supreme Court!

They are expected to take over the senate today. The only thing left is the presidency, and they can take this by making Obama look bad for the next two years. Maybe Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz as president?

That would be a nightmare scenario.

nothing like histrionics in the morning.

if the Republicans take the Senate today, it's going to be by a razor thin margin and they're probably going to lose it again in 2016 where all the swing state elections are going to put the Republicans on the defensive (pretty much the reverse of what's happening this year, plus election year turnout tends to favor Dems)

the ideal result today would be Republicans taking the Senate, Harry Reid getting voted out of the leadership, and end 2016 with brand new Senate leadership on both sides after McConnell loses his majority.

 

[Texashiker]

if the Republicans take the Senate today, it's going to be by a razor thin margin and they're probably going to lose it again in 2016

After obama, people would have to be stupid to ever vote democrat again.

democrats shot themselves in the foot with obama. Then they are going to shoot the other foot?

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[Genx87]

I have to say that war under Obama is MASSIVELY less than that under bush by any reasonable measure. Less money, fewer troops committed, fewer casualties on both sides.

Additionally, there is smart debt and there is dumb debt. Running up debts during a depression is smart. Running up debts during an economic expansion is foolish. Sure the OP would probably post the same thing even if these things weren't the case, but there is a pretty huge distinction to be drawn.

Well as long as we spend less money wreaking havoc through the middle east then all is well. I find this defense of Obamas war mongering interesting. Instead of criticizing him it tries to justify our killing based on it costing less. In the mean time we have toppled another regime and left the country a complete mess(libya). And Obama trying to perform the same mistake in Syria. Luckily public backlash kept Obama from bombing Syria and allowing ISIS to take control.

Sure, there is good and bad debt. I'd give Obama credit for good debt. But as pointed out by people like the OP in other threads. Our budget and deficit situation was created on the tail end of the Bush administration. Obama inherited our budget and deficit situation according to them.

And lets be honest. If Obama came from the Republican party. The OP would be complaining about everything he did instead of supporting him.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Too late. I saw you leave with some on your chin.

I hadn't had my second cup of coffee and was too slow to dodge.

But if you've read anything from me, you should know that I have no faith in either party. We're screwed regardless of who runs the puppet show in DC.

 

[doubledeluxe]

And lets be honest. If Obama came from the Republican party. The OP would be complaining about everything he did instead of supporting him.

I think this is key.

Obama is not a good president. He's far better than Bush or any of the proposed republican candidates but he's not good.

Stop voting for the lesser of two evils. All we end up in is a feedback loop of R to D to R with zero positive results.

 

[Mai72]

Oh. Forgot to add.
Jobs.

Republicans believe jobs ship off shore because US business taxes are too high.
Like if business would ever move back onshore simply for lower taxes.
Which would have to be ZERO.
No tax, but still unable to pay slave labor employees 70 cents an hour.
Business moving back onshore. Yeah RiGhT.... IMAO

So anyway, and regardless of fact, business taxes are cut drastically by republicans.
Then, guess who makes up the loss? The difference?
If you have a debit, you need the offsetting credit.
Queue the list for those taking the hit:
Seniors.
College students.
Citizens with higher state taxes.
Citizens with higher federal taxes.
Deep cuts to social programs.
Higher interest rates.
Stock market depression.
Job loss.
Double digit employment for all, once again.
Merry Christmas America!

Jobs are shipped off overseas because there are no regulations, union, and they can pay their help 0.10¢ an hour.

What we should be doing is taxing the sh*t out of imports. Let big business know that they can open up sweat shoos overseas, but when those items come to America they are going to be hit with import taxes.

 

[Mai72]

I think this is key.

Obama is not a good president. He's far better than Bush or any of the proposed republican candidates but he's not good.

Stop voting for the lesser of two evils. All we end up in is a feedback loop of R to D to R with zero positive results.

We desperately need 3rd party candidates to keep everybody else honest. The problem is very few people vote 3rd party so this is why America is screwed up.

 

[Texashiker]

Jobs are shipped off overseas because there are no regulations, union, and they can pay their help 0.10¢ an hour.

Jobs are going offshore because every president since nixon promoted free trade.

If clinton had refused to sign gatt and nafta, we would be a lot better off.

 

[dank69]

Well, here is exactly what will happen...

Republicans will take the senate.
Republicans will attempt to pass their own agenda.
No compromise, no cooperation, it's either their way or no way.
And with every single bill proposed, republicans will attach the condition for Obamacare repeal.
Yes, attached to every single bill.
Naturally, Obama will veto (I assume but to be honest I really don't know what goes on in his mind these days) will veto every bill with any hint of Obamacare repeal attached.

Obama will try to get judges confirmed. Offices filled.
And again, republicans will agree to confirm only if Obamacare repeal is in the deal.
And there we are, again. Dead in the water.

Republicans will then claim that president Obama is out of touch and ignoring the mandate given to republicans in the election.
Republicans will insist that Obama must comply with ACA repeal.
But Obama will not comply, and bill after bill, law after law, judge after judge will go nowhere.
And for the entire next two years, nothing but finger pointing.

But believe it or not, it will get worse.
The government will be shut down, again. Probably more than once.
Programs that need re-funding and extension will have none.
And simply because at every turn, republicans will condition ACA repeal for their cooperation.

And that will be the next two years.
So the question really is, how fed up will the American people become?
And what would Hillary do?

Obama won't need to veto much. Reid can just filibuster the shit out of the GOP until the GOP goes nuclear. I am pretty sure the GOP will go nuclear in the next two years. They'll tell everyone that doesn't pay attention how necessary it is because the Dems are being obstructionists (lol).

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Don't see the GOP going nuclear, it's far easier to let the Democrats become the obstructionist party.

 

[nageov3t]

After obama, people would have to be stupid to ever vote democrat again.

democrats shot themselves in the foot with obama. Then they are going to shoot the other foot?

Stupid is as stupid does.

46% of the country still voted Republican in 2008 after 8 years of GWB, so it takes all kinds.

just for arguments sake, let's say the GOP ends today with 52 Senate seats (currently the RCP average)... in 2016, Dems will just need to pick off a couple purple states to regain control and they'll have a lot to choose from -- NH, PA, OH, IL, FL, and NC will all be up for grabs, while they'll only really have to defend Nevada and Colorado.

 

[dank69]

Don't see the GOP going nuclear, it's far easier to let the Democrats become the obstructionist party.

Yeah I guess it wouldn't accomplish much since Obama can then veto.

 

[Texashiker]

46% of the country still voted Republican in 2008 after 8 years of GWB, so it takes all kinds.

just for arguments sake, let's say the GOP ends today with 52 Senate seats (currently the RCP average)... in 2016, Dems will just need to pick off a couple purple states to regain control and they'll have a lot to choose from -- NH, PA, OH, IL, FL, and NC will all be up for grabs, while they'll only really have to defend Nevada and Colorado.

After obama finishes his term in 2016, democrats will be lucky they are not tarred and feathered.

Blacks are walking out on obama speeches.

I am surprised democrats running for office are not being pelted with eggs.

 

[waggy]

Don't see the GOP going nuclear, it's far easier to let the Democrats become the obstructionist party.

and they will. Then people will bring up how some here bitch about teh GOP for being the "obstructionist party". Those people will make up excuses and say it's not the same thing. they are doing it for the country!...or they will hide like a few members did when Obama didn't do what they said he would.

 

[nageov3t]

After obama finishes his term in 2016, democrats will be lucky they are not tarred and feathered.

Blacks are walking out on obama speeches.

I am surprised democrats running for office are not being pelted with eggs.

but in the real world, not to much... how people feel about a President doesn't necessarily reflect down into how they feel about their own representatives in Congress (eg: in 1976, after the Watergate scandal, Republicans actually gained Senate seats in the same election that elected Jimmy Carter President)

 

[HomerJS]

We are still in wars, debt under Obama's makes the debt under Bush look like chump change, and even more tax cuts.

So you beef is Obama has failed to cleaned up the mess left by Republicans and we should go back to them?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Hindsight is 20/20.

The people wanted blood after 9/11. George Bush gave them what they wanted.

For some reason getting what you want is the republicans fault?

We already were in a war (or at least an occupation of a country by then), but you're saying people wanted more blood so he gave it to them? How do you think history shows leaders that go to war for such reasons? If he was a strong leader and didn't go there just to appease the masses, then Iraq would continue having their stockpile of zero WMD's and Saddam would still be in power keeping groups like ISIS from forming.

For the record, I don't hate GWB nearly as much as many here seem to. But, getting into war to get blood from some unrelated Muslim country just because on 9/11 we were attacked by Muslims, because 'the people wanted blood' is not the sign of a good or strong leader.

 

[doubledeluxe]

After obama finishes his term in 2016, democrats will be lucky they are not tarred and feathered.

Blacks are walking out on obama speeches.

I am surprised democrats running for office are not being pelted with eggs.

Are you 12 years old? Isn't there any age limit on this forum?

 

[HomerJS]

After obama finishes his term in 2016, democrats will be lucky they are not tarred and feathered.

Blacks are walking out on obama speeches.

I am surprised democrats running for office are not being pelted with eggs.

And the Republican base is happier losing 800K jobs/month rather then have Obama in office.

 

[Texashiker]

Are you 12 years old? Isn't there any age limit on this forum?

I am 46 years old.

obama is the absolute worst president I have seen or remember.

I just "thought" clinton was bad.

And the Republican base is happier losing 800K jobs/month rather then have Obama in office.

Clinton signed gatt and nafta, which enabled the tidal wave of jobs to leave the US.

obama has done nothing to improve the economy. What jobs have been created are in the low wage sectors.

 

[doubledeluxe]

Let's be honest here. Bush was the worst president by far if we look at the numbers.

I wasn't a fan of Clinton either but to seriously tell us with a straight face that Obama is worse than Bush really will require some evidence on your part.

It's hard to believe you're 46. Who did you vote for in 92 and 96?

 

[dank69]

I am 46 years old.

obama is the absolute worst president I have seen or remember.

I just "thought" clinton was bad.




Clinton signed gatt and nafta, which enabled the tidal wave of jobs to leave the US.

obama has done nothing to improve the economy. What jobs have been created are in the low wage sectors.

NAFTA was the GOP's baby which Dems caved into in the interest of bipartisanship. You blame Clinton for that but give the GOP a pass?