Imagine...

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: RESmonkey

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

- John Lennon



The world needs to put the guns down, and start hugging. No one has to die. No one. Not the innocent. Not the soldier. Not even the guilty. No one. We are all equal. Everyone of us is a child of our parents, and everyone one of us must have someone out there that loves them. It's just not right, the world. All the hate, the fighting, the killing.

Drop the weapons, and start over.

We really need to fucking reboot the world.

This song was my mums favourite song, played at her funeral and a song i sometimes catch myself singing even though i'm not fully aware of it.... the musical talent of the family is my sister, i can shout orders though.

 

[CrackRabbit]

It's a great idea that everyone could live in peace, but as soon as you realize that Lennon was as high as a fucking kite when he wrote it you know that it could never happen.

Theodore Roosevelt had it right with; "Tread softly but carry a big stick." Strive for peace, but know that sometimes you have to bring out the big stick and whack some moron upside the head with it.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
It's a great idea that everyone could live in peace, but as soon as you realize that Lennon was as high as a fucking kite when he wrote it you know that it could never happen.

Theodore Roosevelt had it right with; "Tread softly but carry a big stick." Strive for peace, but know that sometimes you have to bring out the big stick and whack some moron upside the head with it.

It sucks that some people start thinking, "I have a big stick. It'd be a shame for it to go to waste; I need to find an excuse to hit someone."

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
It's a great idea that everyone could live in peace, but as soon as you realize that Lennon was as high as a fucking kite when he wrote it you know that it could never happen.

Theodore Roosevelt had it right with; "Tread softly but carry a big stick." Strive for peace, but know that sometimes you have to bring out the big stick and whack some moron upside the head with it.

It sucks that some people start thinking, "I have a big stick. It'd be a shame for it to go to waste; I need to find an excuse to hit someone."

And with that short post, Jeff7, you've described our foreign policy.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


The hippies are a fun anecdote in societal history but really nothing more.

The fact that right-wing blowhards try so hard to come up with such revisionist history just shows how much the counterculture threatens you guys.
Another thing the hippies brought to us, conservative was a dirty word, a lesson unfortunately lost.
But you all are doing your best to prove it again.
Once you guys lose your little radio network monopolies reagan let happen the party is over.

I rebutted your tripe and this is all you pick out to quote?

The only one revising history is you steeplebot as shown above. You have nothing to back up your claims but that's not really a surprise...

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: RESmonkey


The world needs to put the guns down, and start hugging. No one has to die. No one. Not the innocent. Not the soldier. Not even the guilty. No one. We are all equal. Everyone of us is a child of our parents, and everyone one of us must have someone out there that loves them. It's just not right, the world. All the hate, the fighting, the killing.

Drop the weapons, and start over.

It would be nice... But it wont happen. The problem is there are too many people involved in the decision. =)

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

The hippies are a fun anecdote in societal history but really nothing more.

I have to disagree on that one... Thier effect was to change the country, and therefor the world. Lets look at before and after.

Before: 1950's a whole generation of wally and the beav grew up in a conservative, white world where in most places a black man walking down the street with a white woman would be beaten, if not stoned to death.

After - Hippies, Acid, etc etc... Well, obviously the world loosened up one hell of a lot, and the powers that be are a LOT less transparent and blindly followed than they used to be. Another thing is a publicly outed racist is a social pariah now, rather than the other way around.

I'd say thats one hell of an effect they had. Of course there were other factors, but hte hippie movement was the largest part of it all.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I rebutted your tripe and this is all you pick out to quote?

The only one revising history is you steeplebot as shown above. You have nothing to back up your claims but that's not really a surprise...

You rebut nothing except to say that they did drugs. (well duh the whole country is STILL on drugs) and of course had to use some limbaughesque slur against women for good measure. You have shown no valid points, just here to troll like usual and namecall.

And accusing me of being a recycled poster is no big deal to me, funny thing is I hear you are a long time banned poster for outright trolling only back here because of mods good graces -so shove it troll, you still contribute nothing it seems.
Project much?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I rebutted your tripe and this is all you pick out to quote?

The only one revising history is you steeplebot as shown above. You have nothing to back up your claims but that's not really a surprise...

You rebut nothing except to say that they did drugs. (well duh the whole country is STILL on drugs) and of course had to use some limbaughesque slur against women for good measure. You have shown no valid points, just here to troll like usual and namecall.

Uh, there was much more stated - I took each of your revisionist BS points and addressed them. Now why don't you go run and hide like a good little steeplebot.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


Uh, there was much more stated - I took each of your revisionist BS points and addressed them. Now why don't you go run and hide like a good little steeplebot.

See my edit above troll.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

The hippies are a fun anecdote in societal history but really nothing more.

I have to disagree on that one... Thier effect was to change the country, and therefor the world. Lets look at before and after.

Before: 1950's a whole generation of wally and the beav grew up in a conservative, white world where in most places a black man walking down the street with a white woman would be beaten, if not stoned to death.

After - Hippies, Acid, etc etc... Well, obviously the world loosened up one hell of a lot, and the powers that be are a LOT less transparent and blindly followed than they used to be. Another thing is a publicly outed racist is a social pariah now, rather than the other way around.

I'd say thats one hell of an effect they had. Of course there were other factors, but hte hippie movement was the largest part of it all.

Uhh... the hippie has little to nothing to do with racism or "ending" it. I don't know where you people get these ideas(well I do but it's a totally different subject) but it's nothing but revisionist history.
The black panthers had more to do with ending overt racism than the dirty hippies did. Sheesh.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


Uh, there was much more stated - I took each of your revisionist BS points and addressed them. Now why don't you go run and hide like a good little steeplebot.

See my edit above troll.

Seems you have your facts wrong steeplebot but that doesn't surprise me. Nor does it surprise me that you are now dodging addressing your revisionist history being rebutted.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


Uhh... the hippie has little to nothing to do with racism or "ending" it. I don't know where you people get these ideas(well I do but it's a totally different subject) but it's nothing but revisionist history.
The black panthers had more to do with ending overt racism than the dirty hippies did. Sheesh.

All those movements were in solidarity in one way or another.
From civil rights, anti-vietnam, to womens movements (oh sorry "feminazis" to you :roll

There is no one iconic movement of "hippie" regardless of how you want to label people back then besides the fact that they were all working to tear down the establishment and the hypocritical ways we had been doing things everyone knew were bullshit.

There were christians, atheists, poets, black nationalists, and even a few dirty sorts I imagine.

Funny thing is the dirty thing is a utter strawman also, I have never heard of any movement against "washing" and proper hygiene, your whole labeling them as such is more crap. The ones who were the dirtiest back then were the guys fighting in vietnam in the jungle.

The whole dirty thing is probably about kids having dreadlocks, which is somewhat modern, and even that is shit, as I know people with dreads and they take more care of their hair then most normal people. So shove it.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

The hippies are a fun anecdote in societal history but really nothing more.

I have to disagree on that one... Thier effect was to change the country, and therefor the world. Lets look at before and after.

Before: 1950's a whole generation of wally and the beav grew up in a conservative, white world where in most places a black man walking down the street with a white woman would be beaten, if not stoned to death.

After - Hippies, Acid, etc etc... Well, obviously the world loosened up one hell of a lot, and the powers that be are a LOT less transparent and blindly followed than they used to be. Another thing is a publicly outed racist is a social pariah now, rather than the other way around.

I'd say thats one hell of an effect they had. Of course there were other factors, but hte hippie movement was the largest part of it all.

Uhh... the hippie has little to nothing to do with racism or "ending" it. I don't know where you people get these ideas(well I do but it's a totally different subject) but it's nothing but revisionist history.
The black panthers had more to do with ending overt racism than the dirty hippies did. Sheesh.

They played a big part in the general awakening of the whole countries consciousness, much more so than the violent panthers. If you are just talking Racism, I would say MLK did more than anyone ever.... I was just using that as one example. There are many others. The entire social consciousness of the country was changed by the hippies. If you dont see that, then you are in denial, because they clash with your personal values.... then again, I forget who I am talking too. duh.

Let me put it simple for you.

Before : Wally and the Beav
After: that 70's show

Now tell me they didnt change the world.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


Uhh... the hippie has little to nothing to do with racism or "ending" it. I don't know where you people get these ideas(well I do but it's a totally different subject) but it's nothing but revisionist history.
The black panthers had more to do with ending overt racism than the dirty hippies did. Sheesh.

All those movements were in solidarity in one way or another.
From civil rights, anti-vietnam, to womens movements (oh sorry "feminazis" to you :roll

There is no one iconic movement of "hippie" regardless of how you want to label people back then besides the fact that they were all working to tear down the establishment and the hypocritical ways we had been doing things everyone knew were bullshit.

There were christians, atheists, poets, black nationalists, and even a few dirty sorts I imagine.

Funny thing is the dirty thing is a utter strawman also, I have never heard of any movement against "washing" and proper hygiene, your whole labeling them as such is more crap. The ones who were the dirtiest back then were the guys fighting in vietnam in the jungle.

The whole dirty thing is probably about kids having dreadlocks, which is somewhat modern, and even that is shit, as I know people with dreads and they take more care of their hair then most normal people. So shove it.

:roll: Right, so since other things were happening suddenly means the hippies did it? :roll:

Yes, "dirty" was a stereotypical jab at them - so? Get a grip. You seem to be set off by that yet can't address the rebuttal of your BS with much more than - well it was happening at the same time (which is only partially true anyway)

Again - the hippies will be a fun anecdote of societal history but they didn't come close to being/doing what you claimed.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

The hippies are a fun anecdote in societal history but really nothing more.

I have to disagree on that one... Thier effect was to change the country, and therefor the world. Lets look at before and after.

Before: 1950's a whole generation of wally and the beav grew up in a conservative, white world where in most places a black man walking down the street with a white woman would be beaten, if not stoned to death.

After - Hippies, Acid, etc etc... Well, obviously the world loosened up one hell of a lot, and the powers that be are a LOT less transparent and blindly followed than they used to be. Another thing is a publicly outed racist is a social pariah now, rather than the other way around.

I'd say thats one hell of an effect they had. Of course there were other factors, but hte hippie movement was the largest part of it all.

Uhh... the hippie has little to nothing to do with racism or "ending" it. I don't know where you people get these ideas(well I do but it's a totally different subject) but it's nothing but revisionist history.
The black panthers had more to do with ending overt racism than the dirty hippies did. Sheesh.

They played a big part in the general awakening of the whole countries consciousness, much more so than the violent panthers. If you are just talking Racism, I would say MLK did more than anyone ever.... I was just using that as one example. There are many others. The entire social consciousness of the country was changed by the hippies. If you dont see that, then you are in denial, because they clash with your personal values.... then again, I forget who I am talking too. duh.

Let me put it simple for you.

Before : Wally and the Beav
After: that 70's show

Now tell me they didnt change the world.

So all you and steeplebot have is the time in history that ties them? Pretty lame IMO. "general awakening" :roll: There already was a racial awakening and it had little/nothing to do with the hippies. And yes, the black panthers were a silly example(but more true than your example) I put for on purpose because it's silly like you revisionists trying to suggest it was the hippies that did it. :laugh:

 

[TheSlamma]

What is a steeplebot?

 

[Steeplerot]

All those groups are in the same time frame because they are one in the same, hippie is not just the suburban twits following trends in the summer of 68, hippie is also the beatnik poetry era (gay rights, womens rights) through civil rights era in the early 60s all the way to punk in later 70s when it comes to the messages and what they fought against. Sure, they may not label themselves as "hippie" but "hippie" only existed for like 8 months in 1968 before people got over the label.

If you cannot grasp this Cad you fail or cannot accept it. Your problem.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
What is a steeplebot?

It is a label he is giving me accusing me of being a recycled poster known for trolling I guess, when he himself is a formerly banned troll poster himself, rather ironic imo.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

report back once you return to reality

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
What is a steeplebot?

It is a label he is giving me accusing me of being a recycled poster known for trolling I guess, when he himself is a formerly banned troll poster himself, rather ironic imo.

Again, you are mistaken but yes, your posting style and topics are very similar to steeplerots. I figured you for BOBDN/.../.... but someone else suggested steeplerot. After looking at your posts further - I agreed with him.

And again you try to support your BS revisionism with some broad claim of timing. It just doesn't work that way. You can not give hippies credit like you did just because they were around at approximately the same time(and in some cases not even approximate).

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
All those groups are in the same time frame because they are one in the same, hippie is not just the suburban twits following trends in the summer of 68, hippie is also the beatnik poetry era (gay rights, womens rights) through civil rights era in the early 60s all the way to punk in later 70s when it comes to the messages and what they fought against. Sure, they may not label themselves as "hippie" but "hippie" only existed for like 8 months in 1968 before people got over the label.

If you cannot grasp this Cad you fail or cannot accept it. Your problem.

That must be the issue...CAD's definition of hippie is just the hairy doods on acid. I guess we cant expect him to understand it, he is far to narrowminded... Thus we have your typical republican =)

 

[bamacre]

These hippies don't mind a little war here and there.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
All those groups are in the same time frame because they are one in the same, hippie is not just the suburban twits following trends in the summer of 68, hippie is also the beatnik poetry era (gay rights, womens rights) through civil rights era in the early 60s all the way to punk in later 70s when it comes to the messages and what they fought against. Sure, they may not label themselves as "hippie" but "hippie" only existed for like 8 months in 1968 before people got over the label.

If you cannot grasp this Cad you fail or cannot accept it. Your problem.

That must be the issue...CAD's definition of hippie is just the hairy doods on acid. I guess we cant expect him to understand it, he is far to narrowminded... Thus we have your typical republican =)

Just as I figured, you can't back up your BS so you play the "narrowminded" card or the he's too stupid card. Meh, I expect nothing less from the likes of you.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Not hostile, truthful.

One man's truth is another man's insult (and subsequent call to arms).

I'm actually wondering what your damage is.

And of course you had to throw in that little snipe. Way to be part of the solution.