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soundforbjt

Lifer
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Trump’s lawyers just freaked when Cicillene said Trump and none of his staff contacted Pence for five days after the incident.
 

NWRMidnight

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It wouldn't drag on that long.
You seem to not get how much spite the GOP has and the fact that they don't give a shit about the American People. They would and they do, use the American People as bargaining chips. They would burn every one of us at the stake if they could to benefit them. They also have to go thru the subpoena process, which doesn't happen over night. That alone could drag it out into March.


Now on a different note, the closing arguments: They where just talking about What Trump supposable not knowing about Pence being in danger, and what was going on in the Capital, despite all the tv coverage and all. Here is the thing, UNLESS the President is involved, meaning he is the leader of the attack as in this case, the moment that any violence broke out, that put any government official in the capital in danger, specially the Vice President, The White House would automatically go into lock down, and the President would automatically be rushed to a bunker, or safe location. The only way to stop that from happening is if the President already had the foresight of what was going to take place and took steps to prevent proper and automatic procedures from being implemented. The Secret service which is in charge of security for both the President and the Vice President are always in communication. That never happened. Trump was never rushed off to a safe location, the White house was never put into lock down.
 

hal2kilo

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You seem to not get how much spite the GOP has and the fact that they don't give a shit about the American People. They would and they use the American People as bargaining chips. They also have to go thru the subpoena process, which doesn't happen over night. That alone could drag it out into March.


Now on a different note, the closing arguments: They where just talking about What Trump supposable not knowing about Pence being in danger, and what was going on in the Capital, despite all the tv coverage and all. Here is the thing, UNLESS the President is involved, meaning he is the leader of the attack as in this case, the moment that any violence broke out, that put any government official in the capital in danger, specially the Vice President, The White House would automatically go into lock down, and the President would automatically be rushed to a bunker, or safe location. The only way to stop that from happening is if the President already had the foresight of what was going to take place and took steps to prevent proper and automatic procedures from being implemented. The Secret service which is in charge of security for both the President and the Vice President are always in communication. That never happened. Trump was never rushed off to a safe location, the White house was never put into lock down.
Seems some Repug Senator is upset.
 

woolfe9998

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The Dems are losers. Get rid of Shumer. The Republicans can be Republicans because the Dems are losers. Ashamed right now.

All this because they are reading the written witness statement into the record instead of calling the live witness? I don't think that was much of a concession. Bigger picture is that they went forward with this impeachment and presented a very strong case. A minor concession on evidence doesn't change that.
 

Roger Wilco

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What’s the point in delaying an inevitable acquittal when it prevents covid relief from being passed ASAP?
 

NWRMidnight

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All this because they are reading the written witness statement into the record instead of calling the live witness? I don't think that was much of a concession. Bigger picture is that they went forward with this impeachment and presented a very strong case. A minor concession on evidence doesn't change that.
Come on.. it's always the dems being weak when the GOP can't even honor their oath, the constitution, and put their party before Country and lack even an ounce of integrity. Blame the DEMS!!!!
 
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hal2kilo

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This point is the case. Why else do you think they don't want these statements to stand. At least it's the case I hope for the American people. Republican Senators, not so much.
 

zinfamous

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Come on.. it's always the dems being weak when the GOP can't even honor their oath, the constitution, and put their party before Country and lack even an ounce of integrity. Blame the DEMS!!!!

It happens to be both, most of the time. The cycle continues until one party grows enough balls to end this shit and force the other to do their jobs for once.
 
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NWRMidnight

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You know, I am going to tell you a quit story. many years ago, before I ever stepped into management, I use to sit with all the other employees and complained about why did the management do this, and not do that. They are shitty managers because they didn't do this. Then I took on the roll of a manager, and I learned very quickly that what I thought was reality was far from it, and I didn't know shit as a regular employee. What I though I knew ended up being just crap on the bottom of my shoe. There is such a bigger picture that what I thought as an employee where the right actions and issues that turned out wasn't even a scratch on the surface of the real picture or the real facts, and what I thought as an employee wasn't even in the realm of issues. I am pretty sure it's the same thing here. We have about .00001% of the big picture and have non of the real facts that matter.
 

emperus

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All this because they are reading the written witness statement into the record instead of calling the live witness? I don't think that was much of a concession. Bigger picture is that they went forward with this impeachment and presented a very strong case. A minor concession on evidence doesn't change that.
It's not a minor concession. Most Americans don't listen to the intricacies of these debates. You have to force the nightly news to broadcast it. Call the witness, have it on video and force the media to report/show that Trump didn't care if people got hurt that day. The Republicans have no shame in anything they do and Dems have to push the envelope. I think we should have learned that all this high-brow stuff doesn't win and the negotiations with yourself do nothing but get us people like Mitch McConnel, Donald Trump and McCarthy. I'm not saying be unprincipled like the Republicans but at least stand up when you have the rules and what's right on your side.
 
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This is for the public, not for the Republican senators. The Republicans went after Hillary with Benghazi hearings not because they knew she would be punished by congress, but the effect it would have on her on the public arena

While its disappointing (although I'll have to see if how you're framing things actually lines up with what's being done as people on here have a habit of framing things that way; I'm guilty of this as well from time to time), this isn't gonna matter. The Public is not watching this and it will not sway anyone. Its not like we don't already know how the Republicans are going to vote.

My best guess on why this route is they don't want to subject the people that would be witness to the GOP hate machine any more than they have to.
 

emperus

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You know, I am going to tell you a quit story. many years ago, before I ever stepped into management, I use to sit with all the other employees and complained about why did the management do this, and not do that. They are shitty managers because they didn't do this. Then I took on the roll of a manager, and I learned very quickly that what I thought was reality was far from it, and I didn't know shit as a regular employee. What I though I knew ended up being just crap on the bottom of my shoe. There is such a bigger picture that what I thought as an employee where the right actions and issues that turned out wasn't even a scratch on the surface of the real picture or the real facts. I am pretty sure it's the same thing here. We have about .00001% of the big picture and have non of the real facts that matter.

I would agree, if we hadn't already seen this movie.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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It's not a minor concession. Most Americans don't listen to the intricacies of these debates. You have to force the nightly news to broadcast it. Call the witness, have it on video and force the media to report/show that Trump didn't care if people got hurt that day. The Republicans have no shame in anything they do and Dems have to push the envelope. I think we should have learned that all this high-brow stuff doesn't win and the negotiations with yourself do nothing but get us people like Mitch McConnel, Donald Trump and McCarthy. I'm not saying be unprincipled like the Republicans but at least stand up when you have the rules and what's right on your side.

There's a 100 articles and TV news segments reporting on that conversation already. I agree a live witness would be better but you're over-reacting to this.
 

K1052

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What’s the point in delaying an inevitable acquittal when it prevents covid relief from being passed ASAP?

It's not a certainty that witness would delay COVID relief but it is certainly a possibility.

I know some people are upset but the Dems really didn't expect to win the witness vote and even though they did anyone they wanted to call would be subject to the same real political calculus in the narrowest of majorities that anything else is. Big picture the vast majority of the country is paying no attention to the blow by blow here. Nobody is going to care in a few weeks when the aid bill moves and Biden is signing nearly 2T in stimulus that's going to send big checks out likely as the economy starts to rebound this spring.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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How many times do you let the bully take your lunch money before you fight back? Are you saying the Dems can’t do two things at once and Republicans were right?
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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It just doesn't matter. We need to get COVID relief going. This is what we are dealing with.

Why bother? Trump's lawyers don't even offer an impeachment defense because Republicans don't care | Salon.com

Just going to drop the last two paragraphs here for special attention.

Trump's team was not worried about logic or reason, but about giving whoever needs it — from Senate Republicans to your Trump-voting uncle — a wall of words they can use to drown out those who are making sense. These days, Republican discourse is rarely, if ever, about explicating a belief system, so much as concealing it through the heavy application of bullshit.

And no wonder. Trump's reasons for inciting an insurrection are indefensible, as are the reasons for Senate Republicans in shielding him from consequences. In both cases, it's about a belief that Republicans should not be accountable to voters and Republican power should not be dependent on the will of the governed. That level of entitlement collapses in the face of any kind of reasoned debate. So reasoned debate is what Republicans will go to any length to avoid. Which is how we got the clown show masquerading as a legal defense in the Senate on Friday.
 
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