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shortylickens

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BJ, to be clear. He lied about getting a BJ in deposition. And a bunch of R Senators who were in office at the time voted to convict him, then 21 years later voted to acquit Trump for inciting an insurrection.

Yeah but I think his argument was oral doesnt actually count as sex, so according to him, he did nothing.

Just like Donald is arguing nothing he says matters, so technically he did nothing.

I dont like this country sometimes. Too many angry immature selfish self-centered assholes who also happen to be cowards.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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One question for you, would a person who did not want an insurrection, refuse to act when told the capitol is under attack, the VP has been evacuated and being begged for help?
That's a loaded question. The easy answer is that Trump shouldn't have to do anything, it's a police matter. But lets ignore that. I think it's clear that Trump didn't much care about what was happening, but it's also just as obvious that this wasn't an armed attack on congress. It was at worst a riot, and at best a clown show. The idiots stopped to pose for pictures, they cracked open the booze cabinets and walked out with the lectern. Clearly a few of them intended to do real damage, perhaps even murder, and those folks need to go to jail.
So did Trump want it to happen? My hunch is no, for the simple reason that it made him look bad. Was he upset that it happened, again, I'd say no, he wasn't. My hunch is that he was flattered by it.
 

fskimospy

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That's a loaded question. The easy answer is that Trump shouldn't have to do anything, it's a police matter. But lets ignore that. I think it's clear that Trump didn't much care about what was happening, but it's also just as obvious that this wasn't an armed attack on congress. It was at worst a riot, and at best a clown show. The idiots stopped to pose for pictures, they cracked open the booze cabinets and walked out with the lectern. Clearly a few of them intended to do real damage, perhaps even murder, and those folks need to go to jail.
So did Trump want it to happen? My hunch is no, for the simple reason that it made him look bad. Was he upset that it happened, again, I'd say no, he wasn't. My hunch is that he was flattered by it.
The Capitol police were overwhelmed and Trump is in charge of federal law enforcement and the national guard, which is what the Capitol police were requesting. It was absolutely, unquestionably his duty to act. He should have been impeached for that dereliction of duty all by itself.
 

cytg111

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Oh no. We’re dehumanizing the dehumanizers. How sad. This is the whole “intolerant left“ crap, for not tolerating intolerance. Cart before horse. Cause and Effect.
I read him as “dont stoop to their level” - also, you educated, you should know better. I can see that... But then again there comes a point where it just is two sides and your side must win at all cost... It sort of depends on how you read the situation at hand.
 
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sportage

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Clinton was guilty of having sex with an intern, not exactly the same as an attempt by a crazed, angry mob to overthrow an election trump lost fair and square.

You know that, I know that, we all know that but for republicans they see no difference. For the 43 republicans, impeachment is impeachment and if Bill got off then their guy Trump should also get off. No, there is no logic to that but consider what we are talking about, a cult. And just be happy that 7 republicans were able to break away from that cult.
 

NWRMidnight

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That's a loaded question. The easy answer is that Trump shouldn't have to do anything, it's a police matter. But lets ignore that. I think it's clear that Trump didn't much care about what was happening, but it's also just as obvious that this wasn't an armed attack on congress. It was at worst a riot, and at best a clown show. The idiots stopped to pose for pictures, they cracked open the booze cabinets and walked out with the lectern. Clearly a few of them intended to do real damage, perhaps even murder, and those folks need to go to jail.
So did Trump want it to happen? My hunch is no, for the simple reason that it made him look bad. Was he upset that it happened, again, I'd say no, he wasn't. My hunch is that he was flattered by it.
It's not the President's responsibility to make sure that Congress and the Vice President are properly protected, or to send in the National Guard to stop a threat? That would be true if the police, or even congress had the security clearance to receive all information to such perceived threats before hand, or they had the authority to call in the national guard. But they don't. That is all on Trump and/or his administration.
 
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sportage

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Well, if Trump decides to run again in 2024 don't expect Mitch McConnell to stand out there and fight against it. Moscow Mitch can spin on a dime, we've seen A LOT of that from the Moscow kid. If Trump runs in 2024, McConnell would look at it as another US Supreme Court justice that he can jam through. They love Trump, they all love Donald Trump, so don't let them kid you.
 

IronWing

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That's a loaded question. The easy answer is that Trump shouldn't have to do anything, it's a police matter. But lets ignore that. I think it's clear that Trump didn't much care about what was happening, but it's also just as obvious that this wasn't an armed attack on congress. It was at worst a riot, and at best a clown show. The idiots stopped to pose for pictures, they cracked open the booze cabinets and walked out with the lectern. Clearly a few of them intended to do real damage, perhaps even murder, and those folks need to go to jail.
So did Trump want it to happen? My hunch is no, for the simple reason that it made him look bad. Was he upset that it happened, again, I'd say no, he wasn't. My hunch is that he was flattered by it.
It was, in fact, an armed attack on Congress and the Constitution so you are wrong about that and pretty much everything else in your post.
 

sportage

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By the way.... did anyone listen closely to what little Lindsey said about his recent conversation with Trump? Lindsey said that Trump was "excited and looking forward to 2022". NOT 2024 as one might expect, but Trump said 2022. Makes me wonder if Trump thinks that he can start a new political party and run for president in the midterms? Or, to pull something sneaky and no doubt illegal off in the 2022 midterms? It makes sense that Donald Trump would not want to wait until 2024, after all that would be 4 long years of waiting, no.... Trump wants to return to power much sooner than 2024. Trump wants his comeback to take place in 2022, and I bet dollars to doughnuts that Donald Trump has a plan to make that happen. Stand down and stand by
 
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BlueWeasel

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By the way.... did anyone listen closely to what little Lindsey said about his recent conversation with Trump? Lindsey said that Trump was "excited and looking forward to 2022". NOT 2024 as one might expect, but Trump said 2022. Makes me wonder if Trump thinks that he can start a new political party and run for president in the midterms? Or, to pull something sneaky and no doubt illegal off in the 2022 midterms? It makes sense that Donald Trump would not want to wait until 2024, after all that would be 4 long years of waiting, no.... Trump wants to return to power much sooner than 2024. Trump wants his comeback to take place in 2022, and I bet dollars to doughnuts that Donald Trump has a plan to make that happen. Stand down and stand by

You're reading way TOO much in what Lady Graham said. He's just kissing Trump's ass while at the same time wanting his help for Republicans in the 2022 elections. Much like the last 4 years, Trump has no plan but lusts for power and admiration. His influence will likely be huge in 2022 but there ain't no way he's back on top until 2024. God help us if that happens.
 
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dawp

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By the way.... did anyone listen closely to what little Lindsey said about his recent conversation with Trump? Lindsey said that Trump was "excited and looking forward to 2022". NOT 2024 as one might expect, but Trump said 2022. Makes me wonder if Trump thinks that he can start a new political party and run for president in the midterms? Or, to pull something sneaky and no doubt illegal off in the 2022 midterms? It makes sense that Donald Trump would not want to wait until 2024, after all that would be 4 long years of waiting, no.... Trump wants to return to power much sooner than 2024. Trump wants his comeback to take place in 2022, and I bet dollars to doughnuts that Donald Trump has a plan to make that happen. Stand down and stand by
he's planning to primary the republicans who voted with the democrats to get more like Greene in office.
 
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NWRMidnight

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You're reading way TOO much in what Lady Graham said. He's just kissing Trump's ass while at the same time wanting his help for Republicans in the 2022 elections. Much like the last 4 years, Trump has no plan but lusts for power and admiration. His influence will likely be huge in 2022 but there ain't no way he's back on top until 2024. God help us if that happens.
He's not kissing Trump's ass. He's deep throating Trump's cock. Specially when he said Lara Trump is the Future of the GOP (at the 0:36 mark):

 
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woolfe9998

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Chart showing the position various Senate repugs have taken on the impeachment. The "neutral on the merits" means they said they voted acquittal on the technicality but made no comment on the merits. Uh huh.


Five have supported Trump on the merits.
 

pmv

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May 30, 2008
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If an official cannot be impeached once they no longer hold office (as McConnel and Alan Dershowitz have argued), what's the point of the provision banning them from standing for office in the future? That provision is never going to be used, because anyone concerned they are about to be impeached can just resign before it happens and so retain the ability to run for office again.

Might as well repeal that clause as it's useless. Seems odd it was ever put in there in the first place. Those framers really didn't know what they were doing, did they?
 

VRAMdemon

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Imagine being in a jury impaneled to convict someone who plotted a bank robbery, they let him go. Then, being in the very bank when he actually tries to rob it, then being again in a jury where you’re judging his guilt in robbing the bank. They sit on the jury and swear an oath to be impartial. The robber has threatened their careers, and they themselves have strategy meetings with the defense team while serving on the jury … and you still let him go.

That's todays GOP.!
 
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Lanyap

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That's a loaded question. The easy answer is that Trump shouldn't have to do anything, it's a police matter. But lets ignore that. I think it's clear that Trump didn't much care about what was happening, but it's also just as obvious that this wasn't an armed attack on congress. It was at worst a riot, and at best a clown show. The idiots stopped to pose for pictures, they cracked open the booze cabinets and walked out with the lectern. Clearly a few of them intended to do real damage, perhaps even murder, and those folks need to go to jail.
So did Trump want it to happen? My hunch is no, for the simple reason that it made him look bad. Was he upset that it happened, again, I'd say no, he wasn't. My hunch is that he was flattered by it.



If the bolded is correct then why did trump send the NG to DC and some states for the BLM protests? I would think an insurrection against Congress would be a higher priority than protests for racial justice in the states.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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If the bolded is correct then why did trump send the NG to DC and some states for the BLM protests? I would think an insurrection against Congress would normally be a higher priority that protests for justice in the states.
Also, why was Trump being asked to make a statement to get the rabid fucks to back down?
 

woolfe9998

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If an official cannot be impeached once they no longer hold office (as McConnel and Alan Dershowitz have argued), what's the point of the provision banning them from standing for office in the future? That provision is never going to be used, because anyone concerned they are about to be impeached can just resign before it happens and so retain the ability to run for office again.

Might as well repeal that clause as it's useless. Seems odd it was ever put in there in the first place. Those framers really didn't know what they were doing, did they?

Yes, they made that exact point at the trial and the repugs were evidently unphased.
 
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Fuck off with that.

Our opponents have repugnant beliefs. Those who have committed crimes (especially the former President) should be prosecuted for those crimes, tried in a court of law, and be sentenced accordingly.

But THEY ARE HUMAN. Wrong, misguided, even flat out evil humans. But human nonetheless. The moment you deny that is the moment that you yourself become evil.

Er, you realize he was being sarcastic, right?
 
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Clinton was guilty of having sex with an intern, not exactly the same as an attempt by a crazed, angry mob to overthrow an election trump lost fair and square.

That wasn't even what he was technically guilty of, but rather lying about it.

Yet Republicans have demanded free passes for constantly lying about shit, including literal criminal behavior.
 
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Jhhnn

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That's a loaded question. The easy answer is that Trump shouldn't have to do anything, it's a police matter. But lets ignore that. I think it's clear that Trump didn't much care about what was happening, but it's also just as obvious that this wasn't an armed attack on congress. It was at worst a riot, and at best a clown show. The idiots stopped to pose for pictures, they cracked open the booze cabinets and walked out with the lectern. Clearly a few of them intended to do real damage, perhaps even murder, and those folks need to go to jail.
So did Trump want it to happen? My hunch is no, for the simple reason that it made him look bad. Was he upset that it happened, again, I'd say no, he wasn't. My hunch is that he was flattered by it.

Obfuscate more. Trump cared very much about what happened or he wouldn't have initiated it. He set it up even before he lost the election, claiming fraud before the votes were even cast. He followed thru trying to convince state legislatures to overturn the will of their voters, filing over 60 loser lawsuits, impeding the Electoral College & finally summoning & sending a mob to stop Congress from accepting the results. Only thru chaos could he stay in power. It just didn't work out in his favor. Doesn't mean he didn't try, which he obviously did.
 

interchange

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Yes, they made that exact point at the trial and the repugs were evidently unphased.

Resigning in the face of impeachment lends a lot to the appearance of guilt. Although it doesn't technically restrict seeking future office, making that choice still poses a large impediment. Someone like Trump might overcome it, but then again someone like Trump would never resign anyway.
 

pmv

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Obfuscate more. Trump cared very much about what happened or he wouldn't have initiated it. He set it up even before he lost the election, claiming fraud before the votes were even cast. He followed thru trying to convince state legislatures to overturn the will of their voters, filing over 60 loser lawsuits, impeding the Electoral College & finally summoning & sending a mob to stop Congress from accepting the results. Only thru chaos could he stay in power. It just didn't work out in his favor. Doesn't mean he didn't try, which he obviously did.


I heard some podcast about it that featured lots of snippets of Trump's speeches on the topic. Lord he's infuriating. Such a lying rabble-rouser (and _such_ an annoying speaking voice as well...I feel I'd find him annoying even if he were saying something politically-neutral or innocuous...I can't figure out if there's a direct relationship between his distinctive style of enunciation and his odious personality...but I'm sure there's a casual relationship there)

I do think, though, that he wasn't entirely conscious of what he was doing. I think he's functionally a fascist, but his immediate motivation is more personal and psychological. I'm not 100% convinced it was a 'plan' as such, rather his inflammatory performance was his personal psychodrama finding expression (he had to believe he 'won by a landslide' and it was 'stolen' from him, because he has to believe he's the greatest and everyone loves him, facing the reality of his failure would be unendurable). It just happened that that psychodrama coincided with the agenda of elements of his audience.

I mean maybe he had a Littlefinger "chaos is a ladder" style scheme in mind, but seems more like something based on instinct, in between a plan and a tantrum - a connection between his psychological dysfunctions and the socio-political dysfunctions of the country.
 
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