And a Constitutional one.Because it's a moral imperative.
The big Democrat turnout in the midterms was bound to happen. It isn't nearly as special as some make it out to be. The party that gets the presidency generally sees a big backlash in the first two years. Remember the Republicans crushing Obama in 2010?
He was impeachable on day 1 with the ridiculous conflicts of interests. He's been flagrantly abusing the Constitution ever since. If Pelosi doesn't push for impeachment at any point, she's just falling into the Republican talking points in that he hasn't done enough to warrant impeachment. It doesn't help either that Mueller basically gave a green light to anyone that wants aid from a country that would like to knock the US down a few pegs. We need to initiate impeachment proceedings, so we can have hearings to lay out the evidence and proof without the horse race bullshit and "neutral" commentary the media pulls.
If it were that simple. I under the meaning of the Constitutional reference for grounds of impeachment. Of course Trump should be impeached. What would happen if at this moment it happened? The Dems would look like they decided to pick a fight they should have known they had no chance of winning. Remember you don't have to convince me or most of AT, but the people who are sick and tired of drama and want the crap to stop. That's the group we have to show that we have both principle and an understanding that maybe taking a George Custer approach to politics isn't as clever as some believe. A failure on impeachment unless it's a very close defeat, is a failure and Americans don't like those.
The best way not to go down with the ship is to make sure the other guy is well and truly sunk first and that requires great planning more often than not.
This isn't about whether Trump should be impeached as we have are well past that, but whether we can benefit from the attempt at this late stage.
Being complacent in this situation is to be complicit.
So politics as usual. What a message. /eyeroll
Not at all. Politics as usual is ducking the issue like was done after Bush was out of office. Rushing in and losing is stupid. Of course if you want Trump in office for four more years, be my guest and argue for that.
I choose to win.
That is true. Now what do you require "action" to look like? I'm well past impeachment. There is no legal nor Constitutional prohibition against indictement and prosecution of a sitting President. That would be the most fitting action.
So let's list the crimes that Trump has committed and have Barr arrest Trump for trial. That's not being passive.
Choosing to win despite doing ones constitutional duty is indeed politics as usual. The only difference is this time its your team that has a chance to win.
To be clear, who is my team and where I explicitly say that Constitutional duty is optional? No such statement however there is strategy in war, and make no mistake that is what we have now. I support any winning approach that is legal and proper.
As far as my team goes, impeachment is an intentionally onerous process. Nixon resigned after ten months of scandal and no President has had the level of Republican support in the Senate as Trump.
So with the understanding that you aren't "typical" of the electorate (I daresay few of us are) and that significant resistance will be encountered where we will be at disadvantage in the Senate, what do you imagine you will win?
Oh, who is "my team"?
Barr is obviously not going to do that. We had a slim chance with Mueller challenging it, but that obviously didn't happen. We have the 12 or so criminal referrals and other investigations, but now many of those fall under Barr's domain....
First off, its not war, and second its not about winning. Those are political terms, this isn't about politics this is about checks and balances and when a sitting president obstructs justice and conspiring with a foreign power to undermine our election can't be proven because the president directed his people to lie, the only remedy is impeachment. If Republicans want to abdicate their duty then that's on them and it will be up to the American people on how they want to handle that.
Your disconnect between what ought to be and what is is interesting. It is the equivalent of war and if you lose then the landscape of America is forever changed in ways you wouldn't like. This is a fight for the soul of America and if you aren't in it to win then don't participate.
Yes, they wanted it released, but since it doesn't recommend charges, they'll lose interest fast. They only see a few blips of the news, so Barr's summary is enough for the average voter who never watches national news.To those who are saying that it's too late to impeach and that the public is largely uninterested in the Mueller report, according to NPR 75% of voters wanted the report made public. Polling by The Hill showed support for release at 84%. If there was no interest in the report as some allege here, then why the high interest in the release of it? Polling immediately after the release of the report showed Hair Furor's support dropping 3 points to his lowest point this year. The report has been out for less than a week and some people here are saying that the time for impeachment is past?
Nyet, Comrades, it's just getting started!
To those who are saying that it's too late to impeach and that the public is largely uninterested in the Mueller report, according to NPR 75% of voters wanted the report made public. Polling by The Hill showed support for release at 84%. If there was no interest in the report as some allege here, then why the high interest in the release of it? Polling immediately after the release of the report showed Hair Furor's support dropping 3 points to his lowest point this year. The report has been out for less than a week and some people here are saying that the time for impeachment is past?
Nyet, Comrades, it's just getting started!
Yes, they wanted it released, but since it doesn't recommend charges, they'll lose interest fast. They only see a few blips of the news, so Barr's summary is enough for the average voter who never watches national news.
I hope you're right and I'm wrong, but I have little faith in the average voter.
I'm not buying into it, I'm just saying the average voter will because they're not informed nor have any will to be informed.Yeh, buy into the GOP framing. It was clear from the start that the President would not be indicted. OTOH, there's ample evidence that he would be if he weren't President.
I'm not buying into it, I'm just saying the average voter will because they're not informed nor have any will to be informed.
Using your analogy:
If its a battle for America, I prefer to win the war doing what's right and not prolonging the fight because I lowered myself to the standards of my enemies in order to win a battle.
Neither was Nixon and yet articles of impeachment were drawn. The only reason it didn’t go forward was he resigned in disgrace. The reason he resigned was his own party telling him he was a corrupt piece of shit and he needed to go. That’s the missing piece in all of this.
That is actually half the reason why no impeachment process has begun. The real reason for why there is no impeachment process is because, the "Speaker of The House Of Representatives" is Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi is a Democrat, and in the event of Trump's impeachment, she would become Vice President. On top of this, Pence would be the new President. This would imply that an impeachment would mean, bringing both a Republican and a Democrat, into the White House. Although it would be interesting to see how that would work out, but I do not think the Republicans want to deal with that situation at all. That is why I think the Republicans are trying to support Trump.
Now lets presume that Paul Ryan never did anything wrong, from the viewpoint of the president, and that he was never fired. In that specific senario, there is a slightly better possibility that the Republicans might not be supporting Trump like they are right now. The reason being is that Paul Ryan is a Republican.
The "rest of America" cares more about who the Masked Singer is than politics.It's the way Barr frames it. Get out front with the pre-emptive bullshit because voters will look no further than the headlines. That only holds for Fox News Trumpsters, not for the rest of America.
Nope the 25th amendment states that Pence would pick his own replacement.That is actually half the reason why no impeachment process has begun. The real reason for why there is no impeachment process is because, the "Speaker of The House Of Representatives" is Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi is a Democrat, and in the event of Trump's impeachment, she would become Vice President. On top of this, Pence would be the new President. This would imply that an impeachment would mean, bringing both a Republican and a Democrat, into the White House. Although it would be interesting to see how that would work out, but I do not think the Republicans want to deal with that situation at all. That is why I think the Republicans are trying to support Trump.
Now lets presume that Paul Ryan never did anything wrong, from the viewpoint of the president, and that he was never fired. In that specific senario, there is a slightly better possibility that the Republicans might not be supporting Trump like they are right now. The reason being is that Paul Ryan is a Republican.
That's not how it works. If the president is removed the vice president becomes president and then he picks his voice president which has to be confirmed by Congress.
Paul Ryan isn't even in Congress anymore.
Awwwww.... I was hoping for a female power in the White House.Nope the 25th amendment states that Pence would pick his own replacement.