Impressions after installing Ubuntu on my Thinkpad R61

legoman666

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I recently bought a Lenovo Thinkpad R61. It came preinstalled with Vista. When the laptop got to my door, Vista never even saw the light of day, I put Windows XP pro on it immediately.

There were a few problems getting Windows XP installed properly. The initial installation was seamless besides the fact that I had to put my HDD (sata) into compatability mode so the Windows installation would detect it. However, finding all of the drivers for my specific hardware on Lenovo's/IBM's site was a royal pain in the ass. First off, there are something like 5 wireless chipsets available for the R61, so finding the correct driver was a challenge. However, once I got the wireless running and the ThinkVantage software running, everything else was a snap. I just ran the ThinkVantage system update and it detected all of my hardware and installed the appropriate drivers. Then of course, I had to run Windows Update and download about a billion updates.

Once everything was updated and installed, it worked great. Going into suspend takes ~4 seconds and coming back out of suspend is equally fast. Hibernate works but is basically useless considering I can power down/up the laptop in about the same amount of time.

A few days ago, my aunt gave me an old PC that she no longer used. It's a p2 350mhz with 96mb ram and win98. Hadn't been booted since 2002. I thought I'd throw Ubuntu on it and try it out. However, the dvd drive in the machine did not read the disc I burned. Since I had already burned the disc, I booted up the Live cd on my laptop. To my surprise, almost everything worked flawlessly. My wireless worked, suspend worked (sort of), almost all of the function keys on the keyboard worked.

So I opted to install Ubuntu 7.10 and dual boot with Windows XP. The install was fairly painless; it resized my partition (this was the only point where I was worried, I was afriad it was going to nuke my Windows install) and installed with no problems. After installing, there were 0 updates to isntall, which I found to my liking (I guess 7.10 is very new?).

Once installed, I got started to configuring it to my liking. Besides installing Thunderbird and VLC, every other program I use on a regular basis was already installed: firefox, pidgin, open office. I also had heard about compiz being awesome (but had no idea what it was). So tried enabling it but it failed to work everytime I tried. After a few minutes of searching the forums, I discovered that my video chipset was blacklisted by the compiz coders due to compatability problems. I figured I'd give it a shot anyway and I manually removed my chipset from the blacklist and enabled compiz. It is awesome. After using it, I wish Win XP had some way to do the same thing.

I had problems getting VLC to play files over Samba shares but once again, a quick search on the Ubuntu forums and I had it working. The problem had something to do with VLC not being Gnome aware or some such. However, contrary to the Windows VLC, the Linux VLC won't decode WMA9 audio, which I found to be annoying.

I have an iPod nano that I haven't used in 9 months simply because I refuse to install that iTunes trash on my computer again. On a whim, I plugged it in on my laptop and it automatically deteced it. I opened the iPod with the default program and it can do what iTunes can't: painlessly allow plug and play transfer of files to my iPod. The only thing I wish the program would do is convert my .flacs to mp3 on the fly when copying them to my iPod.

I then tried the suspend function. Although going into suspend mode takes ~5 seconds longer than WinXP, it's still painless and seems to work fine. Going out of suspend is a different story; again it takes about ~5 seconds longer than WinXP. However, once out of suspend, the backlight is still off. The light is not dim and the screen is not off, the light is off and the screen is on. And after another quick search on the Ubuntu forums, I found a workaround (not a fix) for this problem as well. Hibernate works but is equally useless on Ubuntu as it is on WinXP.

In conclusion, I would have to say the experience is better than WinXP but I'm not about to replace WinXP. I have a physics lab class that provides templates in xls format that have macros that apparently don't work in OpenOffice.org. The UI is better than WinXP (with compiz enabled, on default I'd call it equal to XP). Hopefully I'll be able to phase out my WinXP usage completely as I learn more about Ubuntu.

If anyone has any questions, I'd be happy to oblige.
 

Nothinman

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After installing, there were 0 updates to isntall, which I found to my liking (I guess 7.10 is very new?).

I'm a little surprised that there were 0, but yea 7.10 means it was released in Oct of 2007.

The problem had something to do with VLC not being Gnome aware or some such.

Yea, you were probably using smb:// URLs in Nautilus which will only work with apps designed to use the gnome-vfs infrastructure. If you use smbmount to mount the share into the filesystem it's similar to a mapped drive in Windows and will work with anything.
 

legoman666

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
After installing, there were 0 updates to isntall, which I found to my liking (I guess 7.10 is very new?).

I'm a little surprised that there were 0, but yea 7.10 means it was released in Oct of 2007.

The problem had something to do with VLC not being Gnome aware or some such.

Yea, you were probably using smb:// URLs in Nautilus which will only work with apps designed to use the gnome-vfs infrastructure. If you use smbmount to mount the share into the filesystem it's similar to a mapped drive in Windows and will work with anything.

Yea, thats exactly what I did to make VLC work.

VLC really doesn't like WMV's. On windows, it completely screws up the audio channel mapping but the video works fine. Somehow all 5 channels end up on the left side. And on Linux the audio doesn't work at all and the program magically closes if I try to seek the video.
 

BD2003

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Every release of Ubuntu gets closer and closer to an OS that can replace windows, but it just nearly misses the mark.

For office/business work, until it can *seamlessly* support microsoft office, it'll never really gain ground. I know we all want to believe OO is just as good as MS Office, but it just isnt.

For the home/desktop, it really needs to step up on the multimedia. It can get by without gaming (Macs do), but if it cant support all videos *well*, and have more than basic audio, who is really going to use it?

I'm convinced that eventually open source will push ahead far enough to become a real force in the desktop market. Its snowballing that way, but its got some ways to go.
 

legoman666

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Originally posted by: BD2003
Every release of Ubuntu gets closer and closer to an OS that can replace windows, but it just nearly misses the mark.

For office/business work, until it can *seamlessly* support microsoft office, it'll never really gain ground. I know we all want to believe OO is just as good as MS Office, but it just isnt.

For the home/desktop, it really needs to step up on the multimedia. It can get by without gaming (Macs do), but if it cant support all videos *well*, and have more than basic audio, who is really going to use it?

I'm convinced that eventually open source will push ahead far enough to become a real force in the desktop market. Its snowballing that way, but its got some ways to go.

I'm with you 100% on the multimedia aspect. Right after install, Ubuntu 7.10 can't even play mp3's. That really made me raise an eyebrow. I mean, I can understand not supporting divx, xvid, h264 and such. But mp3? common.

I agree with you on OO as well. It is just slow on WinXP and there is no explanation for it. I can open MS Word in less than a second and and OO Writer take ~10s. Used by itself, it can replace MS office, but unless you don't want 100% compatibility with people who do not use OO, you're stuck using MS Office to some extent.
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: legoman666
Originally posted by: BD2003
Every release of Ubuntu gets closer and closer to an OS that can replace windows, but it just nearly misses the mark.

For office/business work, until it can *seamlessly* support microsoft office, it'll never really gain ground. I know we all want to believe OO is just as good as MS Office, but it just isnt.

For the home/desktop, it really needs to step up on the multimedia. It can get by without gaming (Macs do), but if it cant support all videos *well*, and have more than basic audio, who is really going to use it?

I'm convinced that eventually open source will push ahead far enough to become a real force in the desktop market. Its snowballing that way, but its got some ways to go.

I'm with you 100% on the multimedia aspect. Right after install, Ubuntu 7.10 can't even play mp3's. That really made me raise an eyebrow. I mean, I can understand not supporting divx, xvid, h264 and such. But mp3? common.

I agree with you on OO as well. It is just slow on WinXP and there is no explanation for it. I can open MS Word in less than a second and and OO Writer take ~10s. Used by itself, it can replace MS office, but unless you don't want 100% compatibility with people who do not use OO, you're stuck using MS Office to some extent.

OO is just plain poorly written, always has been, probably always will be.

Also, while linux seems to have windows beat on memory usage, overall snappiness still goes to XP.

But at any rate, its FAR more a competitor than it ever has been, and that can't be nothing but a good thing.
 

Nothinman

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VLC really doesn't like WMV's. On windows, it completely screws up the audio channel mapping but the video works fine. Somehow all 5 channels end up on the left side. And on Linux the audio doesn't work at all and the program magically closes if I try to seek the video.

I don't use VLC, but can you really be surprised that non-MS players would have problems with MS-invented formats?

I'm with you 100% on the multimedia aspect. Right after install, Ubuntu 7.10 can't even play mp3's. That really made me raise an eyebrow. I mean, I can understand not supporting divx, xvid, h264 and such. But mp3? common.

Um, to legally play MP3 files you need a license because the format is patented so how can Ubuntu legally let you play them without forcing you to pay some sort of fee to cover the costs? You do realize that Windows doesn't play MP3s or DVDs out of the box for similar reasons, right?
 

legoman666

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
VLC really doesn't like WMV's. On windows, it completely screws up the audio channel mapping but the video works fine. Somehow all 5 channels end up on the left side. And on Linux the audio doesn't work at all and the program magically closes if I try to seek the video.

I don't use VLC, but can you really be surprised that non-MS players would have problems with MS-invented formats?

I'm with you 100% on the multimedia aspect. Right after install, Ubuntu 7.10 can't even play mp3's. That really made me raise an eyebrow. I mean, I can understand not supporting divx, xvid, h264 and such. But mp3? common.

Um, to legally play MP3 files you need a license because the format is patented so how can Ubuntu legally let you play them without forcing you to pay some sort of fee to cover the costs? You do realize that Windows doesn't play MP3s or DVDs out of the box for similar reasons, right?

No I am not surprised that VLC has problems with MS closed formats. I know windows requires an mpeg2 codec to play dvd's, but I'm 95% certain that WMP can play mp3's right after an install. Of course it is possible that they do license the patent...
 

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FWIW, I have found the easiest way to get drivers installed on a Thinkpad is to install the NIC driver, then the Software Installer (I think that's what it's called), let it update itself, the manually select what you do/don't want to install. That's what I used to do with Thinkpads and a clean install of XP where Device Manager was filled with yellow bangs and unknown devices.
 
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That is my favorite part of Lenovo in the Windows world: the Software Installer. I loved that program. Best experience ever.

As for Ubuntu, I am glad you like it. The only thing I hate about it is battery life. I only get about 1:20 out of a charge, and in Windows I get over 2:30 (undervolted). Now, I now you can undervolt in Ubuntu, but I have just never been able to get it working properly.

I like the Gnome applets that can be used. My favorite is the weather report.

The feeling that you don't have to download any drivers, or configure them, in Ubuntu (for me) is amazing. I just reformatted my Ubuntu partition and it took me 1:50 to get the entire system set up to how I had it before. In Windows, it is a pain in the ass to download every single program you need, whereas in Ubuntu, most of the main things are taken care of. For example, all I have installed is XMMS and VLC. Everything else is supplied. I love that!

7.10 has stepped up the bar with wireless as well. It is MUCH easier than it has been in the past, and I believe they added support for the 29xx or whatever Intel wireless chipset. I tried 7.04 on my sisters newer Vaio, and wireless did not work out of the box. I tried 7.10 and it worked PERFECTLY. Every release brings great advances.

I also love how updates fix the smallest of things. For example, I believe when I was using 7.04 or the beta or whatever you call it 7.10, my username and icon would show in the top left corner at the login window. That was fixed in a few weeks! I love that factor. It is probably one of the best.

 

legoman666

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Originally posted by: NitrouseXpress60
That is my favorite part of Lenovo in the Windows world: the Software Installer. I loved that program. Best experience ever.

As for Ubuntu, I am glad you like it. The only thing I hate about it is battery life. I only get about 1:20 out of a charge, and in Windows I get over 2:30 (undervolted). Now, I now you can undervolt in Ubuntu, but I have just never been able to get it working properly.

I like the Gnome applets that can be used. My favorite is the weather report.

The feeling that you don't have to download any drivers, or configure them, in Ubuntu (for me) is amazing. I just reformatted my Ubuntu partition and it took me 1:50 to get the entire system set up to how I had it before. In Windows, it is a pain in the ass to download every single program you need, whereas in Ubuntu, most of the main things are taken care of. For example, all I have installed is XMMS and VLC. Everything else is supplied. I love that!

7.10 has stepped up the bar with wireless as well. It is MUCH easier than it has been in the past, and I believe they added support for the 29xx or whatever Intel wireless chipset. I tried 7.04 on my sisters newer Vaio, and wireless did not work out of the box. I tried 7.10 and it worked PERFECTLY. Every release brings great advances.

I also love how updates fix the smallest of things. For example, I believe when I was using 7.04 or the beta or whatever you call it 7.10, my username and icon would show in the top left corner at the login window. That was fixed in a few weeks! I love that factor. It is probably one of the best.

I'll have to disagree with you about the wireless. It is a royal pain in the ass to connect to a wireless network. Not to mention the built in networking app only allows 1 network connection at a time; it won't allow me to connect to a wired network and a wireless network at the same time. At school, we have campus wide free wifi. The only thing you need to know to connect is the passcode. However, I cannot for the life of me get my laptop to connect to the network. It just sits there forever with the "attempting to connect to NoWireUC" message. When I try to connect to the network, it asks for a passcode, I enter it correctly (ucwirelesskey, creative, eh?) and then nothing happens. I've tried it 50 times. No matter what I do, it will not connect.

Not to mention the fact that the wireless config app freezes for about 2 minutes at a time inbetween connect attempts. I've tried using the passcode as a WEP 128bit ascii key and a simple passcode. Neither has worked. I am at my wits end about it and am about to check synaptic (possibly the best thing about Ubuntu; need any app? just search and in about 30 seconds it's installed) for a different network app.

That said, my wireless works perfectly fine at home. I just boot into Ubuntu and it automatically connects to ym unencrypted wireless (have a mac address whitelist).
 
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Sorry to hear of your problem.

I have never had a problem connecting, or with the applet freezing, but I only connect to my network.
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: Nothinman


Um, to legally play MP3 files you need a license because the format is patented so how can Ubuntu legally let you play them without forcing you to pay some sort of fee to cover the costs? You do realize that Windows doesn't play MP3s or DVDs out of the box for similar reasons, right?

Windows does play MP3s and DVDs right after install, the codecs come with the OS.

Everything else you said was dead right though.

FC8 includes CodecBuddy, which identifies your codecs and points you to free versions, such as Xvid and the Ogg family. Personally, I think Vorbis sounds better than MP3, but thats just my opinion.
 

legoman666

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Originally posted by: NitrouseXpress60
Sorry to hear of your problem.

I have never had a problem connecting, or with the applet freezing, but I only connect to my network.

It didn't freeze per se, but locked up for about 2 minutes while it was attempting to connect or something.

Regardless, I uninstalled the default network manager (network-manager, creative name) and am using wicd now. Hopefully when I get to class tomorrow, I'll be able to connect and not have to fall back to winxp.

Next on my list is to force vsync while watching videos using VLC in OGL mode. Really annoying with the tearing. After that I need to figure out how to make my samba shares auto reconnect. Besides those 2 things, everything else seems to be perfect (assuming the wireless works tomorrow).
 

Nothinman

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Windows does play MP3s and DVDs right after install, the codecs come with the OS.

I know for a fact that DVDs don't and I'm fairly sure that MP3s don't either, at least with XP. If you're using a preinstalled OEM system then they probably installed the codecs for you.
 

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Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: Nothinman


Um, to legally play MP3 files you need a license because the format is patented so how can Ubuntu legally let you play them without forcing you to pay some sort of fee to cover the costs? You do realize that Windows doesn't play MP3s or DVDs out of the box for similar reasons, right?

Windows does play MP3s and DVDs right after install, the codecs come with the OS.

Everything else you said was dead right though.

FC8 includes CodecBuddy, which identifies your codecs and points you to free versions, such as Xvid and the Ogg family. Personally, I think Vorbis sounds better than MP3, but thats just my opinion.

Correction, Windows Vista plays DVD's out of the box. XP still requires a separate codec to play encrypted DVD's.
 

legoman666

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I was finally able to connect to my university's wifi by uninstalling the restricted drivers that were installed by default and using ndiswrapper. Worked perfectly. Now on to my other problems, how do I enable vsync in VLC in OGL mode?
 

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Clarification: Windows XP Media Center edition, Vista Home Premium and Ultimate play DVDs out of the box. Vista Business, Basic and XP Home and Pro do NOT.
 

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
Windows does play MP3s and DVDs right after install, the codecs come with the OS.

I know for a fact that DVDs don't and I'm fairly sure that MP3s don't either, at least with XP. If you're using a preinstalled OEM system then they probably installed the codecs for you.
You're right about the DVDs, but I'm 99% sure that Windows XP (Home and Pro) can play MP3s out-of-the-box.
 

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I just installed ubuntu 7.10 on my M1210 and I must say, I'm very impressed. Painless installation, great driver support.

I also agree with many on the lack of MM features and Office integration. I also would like more support for IME. I can't get Korean or Japanese IME to work.

and installing a program is such PIA.
 

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Originally posted by: BD2003
Every release of Ubuntu gets closer and closer to an OS that can replace windows, but it just nearly misses the mark.

For office/business work, until it can *seamlessly* support microsoft office, it'll never really gain ground. I know we all want to believe OO is just as good as MS Office, but it just isnt.

For the home/desktop, it really needs to step up on the multimedia. It can get by without gaming (Macs do), but if it cant support all videos *well*, and have more than basic audio, who is really going to use it?

I'm convinced that eventually open source will push ahead far enough to become a real force in the desktop market. Its snowballing that way, but its got some ways to go.

Thinking of dual booting or running vmware with Ubuntu.
Currently Vista is on my box, as I do a lot of gaming. Trying to see what I would gain putting ubuntu on my system. Not sure how beneficial it would be for everday use (besides gaming) , like suring net, email, videos, etc. Might just be something I toy with til I can find a real reason to spend more time in Ubuntu over Vista.
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: gizbug
Originally posted by: BD2003
Every release of Ubuntu gets closer and closer to an OS that can replace windows, but it just nearly misses the mark.

For office/business work, until it can *seamlessly* support microsoft office, it'll never really gain ground. I know we all want to believe OO is just as good as MS Office, but it just isnt.

For the home/desktop, it really needs to step up on the multimedia. It can get by without gaming (Macs do), but if it cant support all videos *well*, and have more than basic audio, who is really going to use it?

I'm convinced that eventually open source will push ahead far enough to become a real force in the desktop market. Its snowballing that way, but its got some ways to go.

Thinking of dual booting or running vmware with Ubuntu.
Currently Vista is on my box, as I do a lot of gaming. Trying to see what I would gain putting ubuntu on my system. Not sure how beneficial it would be for everday use (besides gaming) , like suring net, email, videos, etc. Might just be something I toy with til I can find a real reason to spend more time in Ubuntu over Vista.

Thats all it is for me for now - a fun toy. Tinkering with compiz was pretty fun etc, but at the end of the day, if you use your PC for any serious gaming, multimedia or MS Office work, youll be back with windows before too long.

It excels as a server and can make a good general internet surfing box on a low end config, but theres nothing that it can do that windows cant, other than be free.
 

Nothinman

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Not sure how beneficial it would be for everday use (besides gaming) , like suring net, email, videos, etc.

Gaming would be the only problem, everything else should be the same or better.

but theres nothing that it can do that windows cant, other than be free.

You should be careful with statements like that, I might have to look for the list of things that Linux can do that Windows can't that I posted the last time someone said something like that. =)
 
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