In an America with strict gun control....

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fskimospy

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I said that earlier in the thread. Then someone posted that only 15% of Australians actually complied with the law.

Didn't see anything that said only 15% of Australians complied. (That seemed to be in reference to another law in Connecticut?)
 

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Gun lovers were so worried that Obama would take them away that they bought LOTS of guns for cash at gun shows with no background check or record of the sale and buried the guns and ammo in sealed cases. You won't find them by searching houses.
Will the Oathkeepers actually participate in that or would they say that it is unconstitutional?
The weather in Australia is the start of spring. Their ski season is just ending, ours starts in about two months.
 

MagickMan

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Can you explain how Australia was able to accomplish exactly this? Its amazing to me how people constantly say "gun control is impossible!" despite there being literal examples of exactly what they say is impossible happening.

Let me guess though, Australia and/or the US are magical and special and so whatever worked there would never work here because reasons. Probably the same reasons why literally every other liberal policy that has been successful elsewhere could never work in the US. (magical reasons)

I won't give mine up, neither will most others who have them. It'll be open season on the politicians and officials who try to take them.

See, in Auz, and all the other countries that once had an armed citizenry, the right to keep and bear firearms was never a specific, enumerated right, something that was "hardwired" into their national law. Here they are, and nothing short of an all-out war, meaning the deaths of 100s of thousands (if not millions) of people will remove them from the public's hands. Add to that states that will not comply with any federal order to disarm the people living in them, because their state constitutions have outlined the right to own guns.

If you want another civil war, that's the way to do it.
 

Fenixgoon

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Gun lovers were so worried that Obama would take them away that they bought LOTS of guns for cash at gun shows with no background check or record of the sale and buried the guns and ammo in sealed cases. You won't find them by searching houses.
Will the Oathkeepers actually participate in that or would they say that it is unconstitutional?
The weather in Australia is the start of spring. Their ski season is just ending, ours starts in about two months.

Dealers at gun shows are required to do background checks.

Private party transfers, depending on the state and firearm being sold, are not necessarily subject to background checks.

There is no such thing as the gun show loophole. At worst it is a fabrication, at best it is a misrepresentation.
 

MongGrel

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Gun lovers were so worried that Obama would take them away that they bought LOTS of guns for cash at gun shows with no background check or record of the sale and buried the guns and ammo in sealed cases. You won't find them by searching houses.
Will the Oathkeepers actually participate in that or would they say that it is unconstitutional?
The weather in Australia is the start of spring. Their ski season is just ending, ours starts in about two months.

I voted for Obama twice and was never worried at all my guns would be taken away.

Some people are ignorant.

It probably did push sales up at the time.

 

Raizinman

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I would like to see a total gun elimination like in many other countries. The best way to get people to turn over their guns is to include a tax refund for turned in guns.

Have a listing of the various guns and give a good tax refund for their particular gun. Most people would much prefer to have cash for guns they don't use or have stored in their closet. Heck if the government wanted to offer me a few hundred dollars more than what I paid for my Glock, I would probably turn it in. Obviously, it won't bring in all the guns, but each year it would get closer.
 

HTFOff

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I would like to see a total gun elimination like in many other countries. The best way to get people to turn over their guns is to include a tax refund for turned in guns.

Have a listing of the various guns and give a good tax refund for their particular gun. Most people would much prefer to have cash for guns they don't use or have stored in their closet. Heck if the government wanted to offer me a few hundred dollars more than what I paid for my Glock, I would probably turn it in. Obviously, it won't bring in all the guns, but each year it would get closer.

Except whenever municipalities try a cash for guns program it turns in to a red neck swap meet because the offers are laughable. If you want americans to stop being obsessed with guns, start by not talking about them, or making new laws, or insulting gun owners as this only fuels the fire.
 

bozack

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I would like to see a total gun elimination like in many other countries. The best way to get people to turn over their guns is to include a tax refund for turned in guns.

Have a listing of the various guns and give a good tax refund for their particular gun. Most people would much prefer to have cash for guns they don't use or have stored in their closet. Heck if the government wanted to offer me a few hundred dollars more than what I paid for my Glock, I would probably turn it in. Obviously, it won't bring in all the guns, but each year it would get closer.

can you articulate why you would prefer to see a total gun elimination?

and since we are in fantasy land, if you're in favor of disarming all of the general public are you then also in favor of disarming the majority of the police force?

as others have said, gun buyback programs typically bring in the dregs from those who truly don't want them any more....you won't get "total gun elimination" from a program like that, you'd either have to seriously financially incentivize folks or go in with force....
 

mammador

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america has a lot of men who own guns cos to look hard, tough and with it... this isn't the 1930s, seek a doctor if you feel down.
 

Spungo

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I said that earlier in the thread. Then someone posted that only 15% of Australians actually complied with the law.
The point is that 15% applies to guns already in circulation. For new guns, the compliance rate is 100%. Walmart isn't going to break the law and sell you guns under the table.

Up in Canada, there's a weird situation where guns illegally exist, but they're never sold or purchased. You would never sell someone your unregistered gun because that's a very serious crime, and most gun owners are not criminals. At the same time, you can't buy ammunition for your unregistered gun because you need a license to get ammunition, and people with illegal guns are the same people who have no interest in buying a license. Illegal guns just sit in the closet collecting dust.

It goes back to what Chris Rock said. We don't need gun control. We need bullet control. If you need a license to buy bullets, that would stop 90% of the problem.
 

Nebor

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The point is that 15% applies to guns already in circulation. For new guns, the compliance rate is 100%. Walmart isn't going to break the law and sell you guns under the table.

It didn't occur to me solve the gun control problem the same way we solved the illegal immigration problem.
 

MagickMan

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The point is that 15% applies to guns already in circulation. For new guns, the compliance rate is 100%. Walmart isn't going to break the law and sell you guns under the table.

Up in Canada, there's a weird situation where guns illegally exist, but they're never sold or purchased. You would never sell someone your unregistered gun because that's a very serious crime, and most gun owners are not criminals. At the same time, you can't buy ammunition for your unregistered gun because you need a license to get ammunition, and people with illegal guns are the same people who have no interest in buying a license. Illegal guns just sit in the closet collecting dust.

It goes back to what Chris Rock said. We don't need gun control. We need bullet control. If you need a license to buy bullets, that would stop 90% of the problem.

I make all my own regular-use ammunition (as do most other serious gun collectors), so good luck w/ that. The only ammo I purchase outright is very specific stuff, like tracers.
 

fskimospy

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I won't give mine up, neither will most others who have them. It'll be open season on the politicians and officials who try to take them.

See, in Auz, and all the other countries that once had an armed citizenry, the right to keep and bear firearms was never a specific, enumerated right, something that was "hardwired" into their national law. Here they are, and nothing short of an all-out war, meaning the deaths of 100s of thousands (if not millions) of people will remove them from the public's hands. Add to that states that will not comply with any federal order to disarm the people living in them, because their state constitutions have outlined the right to own guns.

If you want another civil war, that's the way to do it.

This is a deeply psychotic mindset. I hope someone can show you how totally batshit insane you sound.

Seriously, what is wrong with people who say things like this.
 

Ertaz

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This is a deeply psychotic mindset. I hope someone can show you how totally batshit insane you sound.



Seriously, what is wrong with people who say things like this.


It's in the bill of rights. I'm sure you take the first seriously. The second ensures the first. I'm willing to do what it takes to keep my rights.
 

ivwshane

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Except whenever municipalities try a cash for guns program it turns in to a red neck swap meet because the offers are laughable. If you want americans to stop being obsessed with guns, start by not talking about them, or making new laws, or insulting gun owners as this only fuels the fire.

I'm almost positive you fail to see how illogical your position is.
 

fskimospy

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It's in the bill of rights. I'm sure you take the first seriously. The second ensures the first. I'm willing to do what it takes to keep my rights.

The second in no way ensures the first. That's a childish and psychotic way of viewing governance. Go look at all the countries around the world that are awash in weapons and look at how often people are killed for having unpopular opinions.

"The second guarantees the first" is one of the stupidest phrases in modern politics. Facepalm.
 

Ertaz

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The second in no way ensures the first. That's a childish and psychotic way of viewing governance. Go look at all the countries around the world that are awash in weapons and look at how often people are killed for having unpopular opinions.



"The second guarantees the first" is one of the stupidest phrases in modern politics. Facepalm.


So, it's your position that we have evolved beyond the need to defend ourselves as individuals? Or is our government so trustworthy and beyond reproach that we shouldn't do anything but submit to the collective? I've served this country and I love it with all my heart, but I recognize that power needs a check. This is a check whether you choose to believe it or not. /Facepalm
 

ivwshane

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The second in no way ensures the first. That's a childish and psychotic way of viewing governance. Go look at all the countries around the world that are awash in weapons and look at how often people are killed for having unpopular opinions.

"The second guarantees the first" is one of the stupidest phrases in modern politics. Facepalm.

Oh oh! Now you've done it! Now he's going to post all the times our government had crossed the line and an armed rebellion stopped the government.
 
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