In Honor of Willem Van Spronsen

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I doubt its a troll thread, or if it is its very different from the norm. The guy seems to have been a self professed anarchist and member of the John Brown Gun Club (which is described as a leftist group aimed at combating right wing militias).

OP, its a shame, but seems like the guy intended to die.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...r-involved-shooting-police-say/?noredirect=on

Deb Bartley, who said she was a longtime friend of Van Spronsen’s, told the Seattle Times she believes he intended to die by attacking the detention center on Saturday.

“He was ready to end it,” she told the Times. “I think this was a suicide. But then he was able to kind of do it in a way that spoke to his political beliefs. . . . I know he went down there knowing he was going to die.”

Bartley said Van Spronsen left a “manifesto” that she did not share details of but thinks will be used by authorities. She and others got letters from Van Spronsen “saying goodbye,” she said.

Died for nothing. His death will change nothing and accomplish less than nothing. We don't need behavior like that to fight these right wing fascist authoritarians.
 

Ornery

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This is more directed at the (lack of) reporting by the mainstream media than what this martyr did. Imagine the media coverage if a Proud Boy had committed a similar act.

The Hard Truth...
 

Commodus

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This is more directed at the (lack of) reporting by the mainstream media than what this martyr did. Imagine the media coverage if a Proud Boy had committed a similar act.

The Hard Truth...

Well, first, the incident was covered by numerous mainstream news outlets, in the US and abroad. It's just not sensationalized like it is in the right-wing propaganda rags you read... and I know you read them, since you just linked to a video pushing the long-disproven "#WalkAway" lie.

Second, and this is the main thing, right wing violence is much more prevalent in Trump's America. Racists feel empowered by Trump, whether they're Proud Boys or old-fashioned neo-Nazis; Trump's anti-free-press views have led to serious threats and violence against media personalities. I'm not condoning unprovoked violence regardless of who's behind it, but the tangible evidence points to one side being the main problem, and it ain't the left.
 
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Paratus

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This is more directed at the (lack of) reporting by the mainstream media than what this martyr did. Imagine the media coverage if a Proud Boy had committed a similar act.

The Hard Truth...

So what system did you have back in 2000? Should be an easy question for a member with a 1999 join date.
 

brycejones

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Well, first, the incident was covered by numerous mainstream news outlets, in the US and abroad. It's just not sensationalized like it is in the right-wing propaganda rags you read... and I know you read them, since you just linked to a video pushing the long-disproven "#WalkAway" lie.

Second, and this is the main thing, right wing violence is much more prevalent in Trump's America. Racists feel empowered by Trump, whether they're Proud Boys or old-fashioned neo-Nazis; Trump's anti-free-press views have led to serious threats and violence against media personalities. I'm not condoning unprovoked violence regardless of who's behind it, but the tangible evidence points to one side being the main problem, and it ain't the left.

The OP is just another hacked account.
 

Vic

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This is more directed at the (lack of) reporting by the mainstream media than what this martyr did. Imagine the media coverage if a Proud Boy had committed a similar act.

The Hard Truth...
The 'hard truth' is that RWNJ propaganda outlets are always telling their viewers that highly-publicized events are being ignored by 'mainstream media.'
There's also the hard truth that this guy died doing something that right wingers are always telling us is the most patriotic of acts.
 

JEDIYoda

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Where did the OP go?
I asked another member where the OP went? I was told he fled the room with his tail between his legs....
What is honorable about this guy??????
 

Greenman

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So what system did you have back in 2000? Should be an easy question for a member with a 1999 join date.
Do you mean computer system? If so, I know I couldn't tell you what I had. I could narrow it down to intel or AMD.
 
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So some alt-white guy trying to kill a massive amount of brown skinned people with fire is a hero?

Lol. Go do it yourself pussy.

Ok guys, stop this type of shit and fucking learn before you spout off. Now, maybe this is some elaborate right wing thing to portray radical leftists as anarchists and justifying their similar right wing authoritarianism to combat it, or maybe its them attempting to subvert people into their radical gun nut "down with the government" Libertarian idiocy by trying to get Leftists onboard with them by celebrating this guy for that even though he otherwise has polar opposite political views than them.

This guy was a far left person. He wasn't trying to kill the brown people, he seemingly thought he was going to free them or something. Mostly he just seemed like he wanted to die and thought his actions here somehow would benefit those people when it wouldn't at all and in fact likely is going to lead to this being cited as an example of leftist extremism that right wingers have been desperate to point to in order to justify their own extremism.
 

Starbuck1975

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Ok guys, stop this type of shit and fucking learn before you spout off. Now, maybe this is some elaborate right wing thing to portray radical leftists as anarchists and justifying their similar right wing authoritarianism to combat it, or maybe its them attempting to subvert people into their radical gun nut "down with the government" Libertarian idiocy by trying to get Leftists onboard with them by celebrating this guy for that even though he otherwise has polar opposite political views than them.

This guy was a far left person. He wasn't trying to kill the brown people, he seemingly thought he was going to free them or something. Mostly he just seemed like he wanted to die and thought his actions here somehow would benefit those people when it wouldn't at all and in fact likely is going to lead to this being cited as an example of leftist extremism that right wingers have been desperate to point to in order to justify their own extremism.
Agreed. This guy was a self described member of a far-left antifa militia, the type of person I’ve been assured repeatedly doesn’t exist.

He also apparently dabbled in spousal abuse. It seems all these militia types have a common demoninator of unhinged anger looking for a target.

This thread is also unsurprisingly quiet. Don’t see Democrats rushing to condemn an act of terrorism.
 

Vic

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Agreed. This guy was a self described member of a far-left antifa militia, the type of person I’ve been assured repeatedly doesn’t exist.

He also apparently dabbled in spousal abuse. It seems all these militia types have a common demoninator of unhinged anger looking for a target.

This thread is also unsurprisingly quiet. Don’t see Democrats rushing to condemn an act of terrorism.
You don't see those posts because their existence doesn't fit your narrative.


Good. I’m glad he is dead.
 

Starbuck1975

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You don't see those posts because their existence doesn't fit your narrative.
I saw @JSt0rm’s post. Did you happen to see his follow-up? What narrative does that support?

I am not glad the guy is dead. It’s sad that rhetoric pushed him to suicide by cop.

Link to me Tweets of any Democrat Senator or Presidential candidate condemning the attack.
 

Vic

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I saw @JSt0rm’s post. Did you happen to see his follow-up? What narrative does that support?

Link to me Tweets of any Democrat Senator or Presidential candidate condemning the attack.

Link to me Tweets from Trump or any Republican Senator or Presidential candidate condemning any of the many attacks committed by right wing extremists.

I strongly condemn this and any other act of unwarranted violence. However, I also condemn hypocrisy too. Especially partisan hypocrisy.
 
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Starbuck1975

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Link to me Tweets from Trump or any Republican Senator or Presidential candidate condemning any of the many attacks committed by right wing extremists.
Guess you can’t. BothSidesDoIt

I strongly condemn this and any other act of unwarranted violence.
This is the only appropriate answer

However, I also condemn hypocrisy too. Especially partisan hypocrisy.
Good opportunity then for Democrat politicians to prove they are not partisan hypocrites.
 

Vic

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Guess you can’t. BothSidesDoIt

This is the only appropriate answer

Good opportunity then for Democrat politicians to prove they are not partisan hypocrites.

One of the most ridiculous aspects of today's political climate are the partisan assholes who insist on perpetuating this bullshit that everyone who disagrees with them is of like mind. Newsflash: you're not that important.
 
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