In *other* NFL News.. Redskins to acquire #2 pick from Rams

[techs]

Considering they picked up a 6th round running back Alfred Morris that turned out to be golden and they only pay him 400k. Even if RGIII does get hurt they got Kurt

Worth it.

Last night they said the traded Donovan McNabb for the sixth round pick that got them Morris.

And, the Pats had not done so great with their first round picks for awhile but have done better recently. The Pats have, however, done very well with later round picks, free agents and undrafted players.

Unless the Redskins do well with the picks they still have and free agents, etc they will be in trouble in a few years. Just look at NFL history and see how many team mortgaged their future with a win now attitude and how far they fall in a few seasons.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

we'll necro this post in 10 years for me to laugh at you

Two words: Herschel Walker.


Keep laughing.

 

[hclarkjr]

():awe: Mvp, mvp, mvp!!!! Rg3!!!

 

[techs]

Two words: Herschel Walker.


Keep laughing.

The Ricky Williams trade had the potential to be even worse. Fortunately all those draft picks went to Redskins who blew them on a stick of bubble gum and a used condom.

 

[vudood]

Last night they said the traded Donovan McNabb for the sixth round pick that got them Morris.

And, the Pats had not done so great with their first round picks for awhile but have done better recently. The Pats have, however, done very well with later round picks, free agents and undrafted players.

Unless the Redskins do well with the picks they still have and free agents, etc they will be in trouble in a few years. Just look at NFL history and see how many team mortgaged their future with a win now attitude and how far they fall in a few seasons.

Looking at recent NFL history and the Giants trade for Eli Manning and 2 Superbowls....

It's like everyone here can predict the future or something. All I know is RG3 and the skins are division champs and have a chance in the playoffs cause no team in the NFC is a clear, prohibitive favorite right now. Right now that is worth the picks the skins have given up for him.

 

[eits]

Looking at recent NFL history and the Giants trade for Eli Manning and 2 Superbowls....

It's like everyone here can predict the future or something. All I know is RG3 and the skins are division champs and have a chance in the playoffs cause no team in the NFC is a clear, prohibitive favorite right now. Right now that is worth the picks the skins have given up for him.

this.

 

[purbeast0]

i LOVE the hate that the skins and rg3 is receiving.

for the most part, people hate because of the success of who they are hating on, which is exactly the reason for the hating right now.

it means the skins are doing something right! and they are, it's called winning! definitely not used to that around the dc area for football.

 

[Red Storm]

lol great thread bump. Haters gonna hate.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

lol great thread bump. Haters gonna hate.

And people that understand football gonna know that the Redskins overspent big time. They parlayed their last place schedule and the Giants/Cowboys underperforming into a division championship. Next year the 'Skins play a 1st place schedule and will go 7-9. RGIII needs to turn into Joe Montana AND a couple of the picks St Louis got need to be busts for the deal to be good for Washington. Otherwise they gave away too much and got too little in return.

 

[techs]

Looking at recent NFL history and the Giants trade for Eli Manning and 2 Superbowls....

The Manning situation was different. Manning said he wouldn't play for the Chargers so they had to trade him. And, the trade was the number one pick for a one first round and one third round pick. Which the Chargers used on Shawn Merriman who was all world for three years til he got injured and a third rounder on Nate Kaeding who was a great kicker but choked in the playoffs and got traded.

And it was the great Giants defenses that got them to the Super Bowls, not Manning.

The Giants didn't trade away their future to the extent of the other trades mentioned.
Plus the Giants did very well with their later drafts picks in the coming years getting Corey Webster, Justin Tuck and Brandon Jacobs in rounds 2-3-4 the following year for example.

 

[darkxshade]

Colts should have offered the trade and kept Manning

Hmm I wonder... how the colts would be making out right about now if they have Manning and a handful of 1st picks on top of their own? :hmm:

 

[purbeast0]

And people that understand football gonna know that the Redskins overspent big time. They parlayed their last place schedule and the Giants/Cowboys underperforming into a division championship. Next year the 'Skins play a 1st place schedule and will go 7-9. RGIII needs to turn into Joe Montana AND a couple of the picks St Louis got need to be busts for the deal to be good for Washington. Otherwise they gave away too much and got too little in return.

Can you tell us what the score of the superbowl is gonna be this year and who will be in it, since you can tell the future?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

hold on, you're talking about a well-designed play where rg3 gains first downs and slides safely or runs out of bounds like it's a bad thing lol

Nice try, but you specifically said his runs were because of pocket collapses, not designed plays. In other words, you were full of crap when you said it. That's OK, we all knew that any way.

 

[sjwaste]

I'm not a Skins fan. I'm the opposite, an Eagles fan. I'd do the deal if my team were in the same position (drafting #4 this year with no real franchise QBs coming out, not the same). It's a very steep price, given that your starting NFL roster is pretty much built off of your own #1 and #2 draft picks, but RG3 looks like the kind of guy that will be good for the next decade barring catastrophic injury.

Is it a huge gamble? Yup! Gotta hit on key free agents for the next 3 years, and no 1st round busts the rest of the decade. But this is a team that's lacked a franchise QB for a very long time, in a division that's getting softer each season. Now's the time.

 

[eits]

Nice try, but you specifically said his runs were because of pocket collapses, not designed plays. In other words, you were full of crap when you said it. That's OK, we all knew that any way.

go back and quote my exact words.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

go back and quote my exact words.

Most of RG3's rushing yards weren't designed.

That's funny, because all of them last night sure were.

Like I said before, Griffin's runs are largely due to a collapse of the offensive line's ability to protect him. They don't have a good offensive line. He's fast as hell. He typically doesn't run unless he is forced to, but when he does, he makes you pay.

There wasn't a single pocket collapse last night which forced a run. EVERY run was designed (6 of 6). That isn't "largely due to a collapse of the offensive line" at all. Are you going to honestly sit there and claim that the huge majority of his 120 runs (aka, "largely due") were due to pocket duress? Anyway, I suspect that the performance last night is similar to all the other games too and you're not telling the whole truth, but I don't have all the games to go back and review (nor do I even care; I just find the dishonesty amusing). I watched the Giants games and Saints game and saw plenty of designed runs so that's how I knew you weren't giving the whole picture. Obviously he is going to run when he is in trouble, but you keep insisting that the designed plays are some insignificant portion of his run total and I'm saying that from what I've seen, that isn't the case at all.

My favorite exchange last night:

Hail to the Redskins! Gee, IndyColtsFan, that run was designed. How the hell do you defend against that?

I'm sorry, I was assured by eits earlier in this thread that his runs weren't designed and were due to "collapse of the offensive line." Surely you must be mistaken.

Well, he's wrong. Though, RGIII does have the presence of mind & speed to take off to the races when the pocket is collapsing and there's a shitload of room in front of him. Most quarterbacks will try to evade & still look for someone to throw to. RGIII simply makes a quick decision: sprint forward.

And, having a quarterback that can run plays like that TD play - that really makes it tougher on a defense rather than a team whose quarterback virtually never runs. If the QB doesn't run, you can focus on the other 10 guys on the field.

Also, Alfred Morris was a 5th round no-namer. He wasn't even supposed to be the starter. It was supposed to be Helu.

Also saw this while I was reviewing your posts. Psssst -- he was a 6th rounder.

 

[eits]

That's funny, because all of them last night sure were.



There wasn't a single pocket collapse last night which forced a run. EVERY run was designed (6 of 6). That isn't "largely due to a collapse of the offensive line" at all. Are you going to honestly sit there and claim that the huge majority of his 120 runs (aka, "largely due") were due to pocket duress? Anyway, I suspect that the performance last night is similar to all the other games too and you're not telling the whole truth, but I don't have all the games to go back and review (nor do I even care; I just find the dishonesty amusing). I watched the Giants games and Saints game and saw plenty of designed runs so that's how I knew you weren't giving the whole picture. Obviously he is going to run when he is in trouble, but you keep insisting that the designed plays are some insignificant portion of his run total and I'm saying that from what I've seen, that isn't the case at all.

My favorite exchange last night:






Also saw this while I was reviewing your posts. Psssst -- he was a 6th rounder.

how many skins games have you watched? clearly, only one. he creates plays when there are no open receivers and he's under pressure from a collapsing pocket. are there plays designed for him to run with the ball? yeah, clearly. however, they aren't as many as him simply avoiding a tackle and taking off down the sideline because his protection failed and there wasn't anyone to throw to. i've watched every skins game this season. i'm sure those who also have can back me up on that.

also, yeah, it was 6th round. my bad. thought he was picked up in the 5th round. even better.

 

[techs]

This is beginning to look eerily like the New York Jets who used the number 5 pick to take a guy, Sanchez, who was at best a game manager type qb. The Jets had been awful for years and used four years of high draft picks to build a pretty good team. Then they wasted the pick on Sanchez and made the playoffs a couple of years. Now for the last two years they had poor drafts due to thier position and now are watching their team fall apart.

 

[sjwaste]

how many skins games have you watched? clearly, only one. he creates plays when there are no open receivers and he's under pressure from a collapsing pocket. are there plays designed for him to run with the ball? yeah, clearly. however, they aren't as many as him simply avoiding a tackle and taking off down the sideline because his protection failed and there wasn't anyone to throw to. i've watched every skins game this season. i'm sure those who also have can back me up on that.

also, yeah, it was 6th round. my bad. thought he was picked up in the 5th round. even better.

Why the hell does that even matter? RG3 reminds me of a more football-intelligent Donovan McNabb (I know, both black but humor me, they have a lot of other football things in common), and DMac did a very nice job of running the ball when the situation called for it.

If, as you say, RG3 is running because protection breaks down, then I have no doubt he'd be fine running some designed plays as well. Have you actually seen the guy play? He can throw from the pocket, throw from outside the tackles, throw on the run, and pull it down and gain yardage. I was a skeptic, and probably a bit of a hater because he plays for a rival team, but I'm all in on this guy. He is an elite talent, and if his coaches don't completely fail him, one of the league's rising elite (top 5) QB's in the coming decade.

 

[sjwaste]

To add, this is on Dan Snyder now. He has to go do something he never, ever valued. Get elite OL help. The dude never valued the trenches, at least not on the offensive side, and it's cost the Redskins some seasons. Look back at the team the Eagles built around McNabb when they were good. Tackles like Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan - guys who had quick feet, could move, and could flatten you. RG3 needs two bookends like that and write them in as a playoff team for the next decade. My team sucks now and I hate saying it, but it's absolutely true.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Cam Newton looked pretty good his first season too.... now is he even in the top 15? I'll root for RG3 but let's wait and see on him.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Looking at recent NFL history and the Giants trade for Eli Manning and 2 Superbowls....

It's like everyone here can predict the future or something. All I know is RG3 and the skins are division champs and have a chance in the playoffs cause no team in the NFC is a clear, prohibitive favorite right now. Right now that is worth the picks the skins have given up for him.

Weakest division in the NFC.
They ate going to have a hard time getting past the next two weeks

 

[DrPizza]

Wait a second though - Cam Newton had a lower completion percentage. Cam had 17 interceptions, compared to RGIII's 5 interceptions. Almost the same number of passing TDs (21 vs. 20), Cam had fewer rushing yards though rushed more, (so obviously, fewer yards per rush). RGIII leads in virtually every category.

 

[Red Storm]

Wait a second though - Cam Newton had a lower completion percentage. Cam had 17 interceptions, compared to RGIII's 5 interceptions. Almost the same number of passing TDs (21 vs. 20), Cam had fewer rushing yards though rushed more, (so obviously, fewer yards per rush). RGIII leads in virtually every category.

Shh, don't you know you're supposed to just accept that he's just another running QB who will be done for next year and that Luck is the second coming of Jesus?

The jealousy is strong in this thread.

 

[DrPizza]

Shh, don't you know you're supposed to just accept that he's just another running QB who will be done for next year and that Luck is the second coming of Jesus?

The jealousy is strong in this thread.

Luck and RG3 both had great seasons. I'm not so sure why Indyfan doesn't really accept that. RG3 did have a pair of minor injuries this season - but, Indy saw the 6/6 plays designed for RG3 to run. I saw them too - there was NOTHING in the way he ran to indicate that he's going to continue to take excessive chances like he did early in the season. And, for the game he missed, he came out and said he felt he was able to play, but the staff wanted him to rest an extra week. In fact, if I recall correctly, after the injury, he ended up going back out for at least part of another series - demonstrating that he has some toughness to him. It reminded me of watching Jim Kelly get nailed on a sack & knocked temporarily out of the game, only to bounce back and come out as determined as ever. Thus, RGIII's longevity isn't any more a question than Luck's.