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BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: Newbian
Because pistols are where the fun is and only newbs use other stuff.

I am tempted to break out the duelies.

shit I already had my auto repurchase pick up the duelies. Who doesn't? If you can afford it, always have duelies. I also have auto quick shooter abilities to make reloading said duelies extremely fast. You'll have a few rounds pumped into you before you even knew you were fired upon, even if I had to reload upon making contact with you.

damn noobs. make the killing too easy.

But it takes more time to hide all the bodies...
 

techs

Lifer
Sep 26, 2000
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Because if the time comes that he really needs a rifle there will be plenty of them just laying around (as explained in the movie)
 

mozirry

Senior member
Sep 18, 2006
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to be honest, that's sometimes what officers only have. They are and were not expected to be frontline soldiers


(look to civil war movies, officers typically were on horseback and carried a pistol only)
 

Wheezer

Diamond Member
Nov 2, 1999
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Originally posted by: Champ
only use a pistol and kicks ass!

I'm watching We were soldiers

and the hard core old guy is running around with a pistol and kicking ass, more then what anyone can do with a M-16 out there and he just has a 9mm? or other pistol

is there a certain age or experience when its like "screw M-16s I'm gonna kick ass with a 9mm!"?

It's Sam Elliott.....duh!

One of the baddest mofos on the planet.....would you expect him to use some pansy ass M-16?

That ain't Sam's style, he'll just put a bullet in your noggin from a trusty side arm.
 

TehMac

Diamond Member
Aug 18, 2006
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.45's have nice stopping power. They'll knock bitches down and keep em that way.
 

CallMeJoe

Diamond Member
Jul 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: Champ
only use a pistol and kicks ass!
I'm watching We were soldiers
and the hard core old guy is running around with a pistol and kicking ass, more then what anyone can do with a M-16 out there and he just has a 9mm? or other pistol
is there a certain age or experience when its like "screw M-16s I'm gonna kick ass with a 9mm!"?

It's Sam F**king Elliott.....duh!
One of the baddest mofos on the planet.....would you expect him to use some pansy ass M-16?
That ain't Sam's style, he'll just put a bullet in your noggin from a trusty side arm.
Fixed it

Even without his usual mustache, Sam is bad enough to kill the typical enemy soldier just by spitting at him. The pistol is just for show.
 

Triumph

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: ironwing
You guys really don't have a clue do you. Look, I play RtCW alot and I know what I'm talking about. The officers with the lugers do a lot more damage than the privates with the subs.

:laugh:

but seriously...
small firearms are inherently going to be more accurate at such short distances simply due to the speed.

The time it takes to move a pistol or similarly small firearm, aim it properly and fire at 25ft (what is that, without doing the math, roughly 8m), is going to enable a far more precise shot than using a rifle or similarly bulky weapon.
For sure, a pistol is less accurate at any distant than a rifle, but in terms of human capabilities and accuracy, the pistol will actually be more accurate in quick fire, simply due to the nature of using our hands and firing such a small firearm.

If I was limited to 25 ft and no closer, purely for talking points, I would choose my AR-15 with Trijicon over any handgun. I'm not trying to be urban commando here, I'm simply saying that I find it MUCH easier to acquire the target and pull the trigger with my Trijicon sight than with any pistol with open sites. It is very much point and shoot, I can be sloppy with breathing and body position, and the bullet will just go wherever the dot is when I pull the trigger. But, I'm certainly not the best, I'm sure someone else with ample training could do better.
 

HannibalX

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May 12, 2000
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Sergeant Major Basil L. Plumley was in fact a real person and so was General Hal Moore. Moore wrote his book We Were Soldiers Once...And Young from his direct experience in Vietnam and has stated that Sam Elliot's portrayal of Plumley in the film adaptation was accurate.

Basil L. Plumley (born 1920 in West Virginia) is most famous for his actions as a Sergeant-Major of the US Army's 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment, at the Battle of Ia Drang (1965). General Hal Moore praised Plumley as an outstanding NCO and leader in his book We Were Soldiers Once...And Young. The Sergeant Major was known affectionately by his soldiers as "Old Iron Jaw". Plumley is a veteran of World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. He made all 4 combat jumps with the 82nd Airborne Division in WWII (Sicily, Salerno, D-Day and Market Garden) and one in Korea with the 187th Airborne Infantry Regiment. He retired as a Command Sergeant Major. After his retirement, Plumley worked for many years at a hospital in Georgia.

Click.
 

eleison

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Mar 29, 2006
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Originally posted by: Triumph
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: ironwing
You guys really don't have a clue do you. Look, I play RtCW alot and I know what I'm talking about. The officers with the lugers do a lot more damage than the privates with the subs.

:laugh:

but seriously...
small firearms are inherently going to be more accurate at such short distances simply due to the speed.

The time it takes to move a pistol or similarly small firearm, aim it properly and fire at 25ft (what is that, without doing the math, roughly 8m), is going to enable a far more precise shot than using a rifle or similarly bulky weapon.
For sure, a pistol is less accurate at any distant than a rifle, but in terms of human capabilities and accuracy, the pistol will actually be more accurate in quick fire, simply due to the nature of using our hands and firing such a small firearm.

If I was limited to 25 ft and no closer, purely for talking points, I would choose my AR-15 with Trijicon over any handgun. I'm not trying to be urban commando here, I'm simply saying that I find it MUCH easier to acquire the target and pull the trigger with my Trijicon sight than with any pistol with open sites. It is very much point and shoot, I can be sloppy with breathing and body position, and the bullet will just go wherever the dot is when I pull the trigger. But, I'm certainly not the best, I'm sure someone else with ample training could do better.

Agreed. With all the research for the upcoming Zombie invasion, I feel more confident with my Ar-15 with eotech sights than my 9mm pm9 handgun. However, from my fellow friends, I've been told a shotgun would be best.
 

Nik

Lifer
Jun 5, 2006
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Originally posted by: Champ
Originally posted by: sandorski
He's the Star. He's the Hero. He's the field commander and top ranking Officer.

no the second older guy...the one thats not mel gibson

Sam Elliot, and that's exactly why. Sam Elliot is the most manly of men who have ever been manly men.

"Any you sumbitches calls me gram-paw.... I'll kill ya..."

"How do you know what kinda god. damn. day it is?"

"What are you, the fuckin weather man?"

:laugh:
 

Firebot

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Jul 10, 2005
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He was weak to use a side arm. Some dude in world war II insisted on using bow and arrows + a sword. Real life is sometimes more hardcore then fiction

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=529

Jack Malcolm Thorpe Fleming Churchill

Commando training ended with an attack on Nord Fiord, Norway. While the two companies he commanded advanced on their target, Jack stood in the lead craft, and played on his pipes ?The March of the Cameron Men?. His report at mission's end was simply: ?Maaloy battery and island captured. Casualties slight. Demolitions in progress. Churchill.?

In another attack Mad Jack and one of his enlisted men managed to sneak up on a pair of German sentries making rounds. He leapt at them, sword in hand and shouted, ?haende hoch!? The Germans obeyed by dropping weapons and raising their hands. One sentry was taken back to camp while the other had Jack?s belt wrapped round his throat, and together they continued the rounds. At each guard post his prisoner would say something to lull the guards into complacency, then a mustached-mad-man with a sword would jump out and order them to drop their arms. All in all, the two Brits rounded up forty-two prisoners that night.

In 1944 Jack?s luck and tenacity took a slip when he was ordered into an impossible situation. Most of his squad was killed, and Jack was taken captive. After being hauled to Berlin for questioning, he was sent to Sachsenhausen concentration camp, where he was meant to stay until war?s end. He might have done so, but one night the power went out, and Jack was prepared: he had a rusty can and some onions. It was all that he needed. In the darkness he just walked away and made his escape.
 

jtvang125

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Nov 10, 2004
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If you thought that was BS you should see Cpt Miller in Saving Private Ryan blow up a tank with his Colt 45. Totally ruined the movie for me.
 

Firebot

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Originally posted by: jtvang125
If you thought that was BS you should see Cpt Miller in Saving Private Ryan blow up a tank with his Colt 45. Totally ruined the movie for me.

Saving Private Ryan is complete fiction though, while We were soldiers was based on a real event. I can't stand Saving Private Ryan because it was so fake. At least We Were Soldiers is mostly historically correct.

If you meant the character Tom Hanks was playing at the end of the movie though, he didn't blow it up with the Colt 45. The tank was blown up by a tank (or plane it was a while I saw it) while he was shooting his remaining bullets at the tank.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
First, it's the movies!
Second, most folks point and shoot without taking the time to aim.
Third, within say 25 feet, a pistol is much more accurate when pointing and shooting.

Um, a pistol isn't more accurate than a rifle at any range.
 

Kelvrick

Lifer
Feb 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: jtvang125
If you thought that was BS you should see Cpt Miller in Saving Private Ryan blow up a tank with his Colt 45. Totally ruined the movie for me.

My sarcasm meter went off but somehow I think you might be enough of a dumbass to think it wasn't the plane that blew up the tank.

Goofs regarding the P-51's and their lack of "tank busting" munitions aside.
 

AndrewR

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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I always love in cop shows how the main characters will accompany SWAT (in body armor, helmets, carrying automatic weapons) with a pistol and half the time aren't even wearing a vest. Funny stuff.
 

mrSHEiK124

Lifer
Mar 6, 2004
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Originally posted by: SketchMaster
In paintball I switched to running with just a pistol, I lose range and fire power but gain speed and mobility. A nice bonus is some people freak out when they see you running at them with just a pistol because they think you are either crazy or some badass and they get shaken up and are easy to over take or fail back to their team giving you that much more ground.

So? Easily done with a regular paintball gun. I regularly charge people with a Tippmann A5 that is firing at some obscene FPS (as in close to 300, it hurts), and I'm a scrawny 5'10. Makes me crazy too, and it works
 
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