Incandescent bulb ban thread:4-25 Canada becomes second country to ban the bulbs

dmcowen674

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PSA: CFL's pose mercury hazard - do not throw into trash

I didn't know CFL's pose a mercury hazard.

I've had one that was dead out of the box and one that didn't last a week
(bug light yellow)

OK, time for Super LED bulbs.

Is there anything hazardous with them?


3-27-2007 Mercury in energy-saving bulbs worries scientists

Mercury is poisonous, but it's also a necessary part of most compact fluorescent bulbs, the kind that environmentalists and some governments are pushing as a way to cut energy use.

With an estimated 150 million CFLs sold in the United States in 2006 and with Wal-Mart alone hoping to sell 100 million this year, some scientists and environmentalists are worried that most are ending up in garbage dumps.

Mercury is probably best-known for its effects on the nervous system. The Mad Hatter in the classic children's book "Alice in Wonderland" was based on 19th-century hat makers who were continually exposed to the toxin.

Mercury can also damage the kidneys and liver, and in sufficient quantities can cause death.

"Disposal of any mercury-contaminated material in landfills is absolutely alarming to me," said Lindberg, emeritus fellow of the U.S. Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory.

The mercury content in the average CFL -- now about 5 milligrams -- would fit on the tip of a ballpoint pen, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, and manufacturers have committed to cap the amount in most CFLs to 5 milligrams or 6 milligrams per bulb.

The majority of Philips Lighting's bulbs contain less than 3 milligrams, and some have as little as 1.23 milligrams, said spokesman Steve Goldmacher.

RECYCLING HURDLES

One problem with recycling is that it isn't cheap.

Another obstacle lies in the fragility of the bulbs and their mercury content.

"People who are going to accumulate these things from the public are going to have to address the fact that breakage will happen,"

State laws are also a factor.

Federal regulations mandate recycling of fluorescent lighting, while exempting households and other small users. Some states, however, are strict. For example, California no longer allows anyone to throw CFLs in the trash, while Massachusetts requires manufacturers to implement recycling programs and meet certain targets.

As technology advances, however, mercury could become less of an issue, at least as far as light bulbs are concerned.

Last month General Electric Co. said it was working on doubling the energy efficiency of incandescent lights and eventually developing versions comparable with CFLs. These bulbs, which the company hopes to begin marketing in 2010, will cost less than fluorescents but they won't last as long.

Meanwhile, some environmentally minded consumers are embracing CFLs and doing their best to dispose of them responsibly.

"I have CFLs throughout my house," said Lindberg, who lives in California. "None of them have burned out yet. I can't tell you what I'll do with them when they've burned out, but I won't throw them in the garbage."

 
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I knew this would happen. Everyone pushes something for being safe, and it turns out they are just as harmful
 

nonameo

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Too bad LED lights aren't quite up to the task, at least not yet. Their light is too focused for things like room lighting, not to mention the white LEDs having a blue twang to them.

Till then, just do with less light.
 

shrumpage

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
PSA: CFL's pose mercury hazard - do not throw into trash

I didn't know CFL's pose a mercury hazard.

I've had one that was dead out of the box and one that didn't last a week
(bug light yellow)

OK, time for Super LED bulbs.

Is there anything hazardous with them?


3-27-2007 Mercury in energy-saving bulbs worries scientists

Mercury is poisonous, but it's also a necessary part of most compact fluorescent bulbs, the kind that environmentalists and some governments are pushing as a way to cut energy use.

With an estimated 150 million CFLs sold in the United States in 2006 and with Wal-Mart alone hoping to sell 100 million this year, some scientists and environmentalists are worried that most are ending up in garbage dumps.

Mercury is probably best-known for its effects on the nervous system. The Mad Hatter in the classic children's book "Alice in Wonderland" was based on 19th-century hat makers who were continually exposed to the toxin.

Mercury can also damage the kidneys and liver, and in sufficient quantities can cause death.

"Disposal of any mercury-contaminated material in landfills is absolutely alarming to me," said Lindberg, emeritus fellow of the U.S. Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory.

The mercury content in the average CFL -- now about 5 milligrams -- would fit on the tip of a ballpoint pen, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, and manufacturers have committed to cap the amount in most CFLs to 5 milligrams or 6 milligrams per bulb.

The majority of Philips Lighting's bulbs contain less than 3 milligrams, and some have as little as 1.23 milligrams, said spokesman Steve Goldmacher.

RECYCLING HURDLES

One problem with recycling is that it isn't cheap.

Another obstacle lies in the fragility of the bulbs and their mercury content.

"People who are going to accumulate these things from the public are going to have to address the fact that breakage will happen,"

State laws are also a factor.

Federal regulations mandate recycling of fluorescent lighting, while exempting households and other small users. Some states, however, are strict. For example, California no longer allows anyone to throw CFLs in the trash, while Massachusetts requires manufacturers to implement recycling programs and meet certain targets.

As technology advances, however, mercury could become less of an issue, at least as far as light bulbs are concerned.

Last month General Electric Co. said it was working on doubling the energy efficiency of incandescent lights and eventually developing versions comparable with CFLs. These bulbs, which the company hopes to begin marketing in 2010, will cost less than fluorescents but they won't last as long.

Meanwhile, some environmentally minded consumers are embracing CFLs and doing their best to dispose of them responsibly.

"I have CFLs throughout my house," said Lindberg, who lives in California. "None of them have burned out yet. I can't tell you what I'll do with them when they've burned out, but I won't throw them in the garbage."

Weren't you the one ragging on companies making regular light bulbs?
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shrumpage

Weren't you the one ragging on companies making regular light bulbs?

and still so what's your point?

way too funny....
man thid is hilarious....rofl......hahahaaa...
so whats your point...muahahahaaaaa...rofl
own up to it dood...too funny....
can we all say BUSTED rofl
 

charrison

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shrumpage

Weren't you the one ragging on companies making regular light bulbs?

and still so what's your point?

way too funny....
man thid is hilarious....rofl......hahahaaa...
so whats your point...muahahahaaaaa...rofl
own up to it dood...too funny....
can we all say BUSTED rofl

The other GE announced they were coming out with more efficient incandescent bulbs in the next year or two.
 

Rainsford

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This is stupid. In every situation, all the options will have certain drawbacks. That's not the point. The point is whether or not those drawbacks are worse or better than the drawbacks you get with the other options. The anti-environmentalist folks are getting a good chuckle out of this, but considering that CFC bulbs are about 4x as efficient as the best incandescents on the market, and considering that most of our power is generated by profoundly dirty technologies, I'd still say it counts as a win.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
This is stupid. In every situation, all the options will have certain drawbacks. That's not the point. The point is whether or not those drawbacks are worse or better than the drawbacks you get with the other options. The anti-environmentalist folks are getting a good chuckle out of this, but considering that CFC bulbs are about 4x as efficient as the best incandescents on the market, and considering that most of our power is generated by profoundly dirty technologies, I'd still say it counts as a win.

No one is saying go back to incadescents now except the radical righties on here.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
This is stupid. In every situation, all the options will have certain drawbacks. That's not the point. The point is whether or not those drawbacks are worse or better than the drawbacks you get with the other options. The anti-environmentalist folks are getting a good chuckle out of this, but considering that CFC bulbs are about 4x as efficient as the best incandescents on the market, and considering that most of our power is generated by profoundly dirty technologies, I'd still say it counts as a win.

The problem here is that environmentlist are often their own worst enemy as they are unable to accept any better technology because they are unable any thing that is bad for the environment. And considering wal-mart is planning to sell a 100M of these bulbs this year, i think there is going to be plenty of chuckles to go around.

Yes I think this is a win and any mercury problems could be easily solved with education and recycling.
 

hellokeith

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674

No one is saying go back to incadescents now except the radical righties on here.

Radical Righty here. All the bulbs in my place, 2x best friends' houses, and parents' house are CF bulbs. You'll find that religious people are usually religious about more than just spiritual matters.

So Dave, do you think in 10 years when all these bulbs fail, that there will be a liberal-taxed & environmentalist-approved disposal method? Because I do.. I believe!
 

foghorn67

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I brought this up so many times it's not even funny. (not on this board). I just get into arguments when I tell people not to chuck them.
 

imported_Shivetya

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Rainsford
This is stupid. In every situation, all the options will have certain drawbacks. That's not the point. The point is whether or not those drawbacks are worse or better than the drawbacks you get with the other options. The anti-environmentalist folks are getting a good chuckle out of this, but considering that CFC bulbs are about 4x as efficient as the best incandescents on the market, and considering that most of our power is generated by profoundly dirty technologies, I'd still say it counts as a win.

No one is saying go back to incadescents now except the radical righties on here.

you are a pathetic trol
 

ericlp

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Uh, CF Bulbs are nothing new. They have been around for at least 10 years. I wonder where they all went???? I'm sure in the trash... I'm all for super bright LED bulbs. Needs more research to make them more affordable.

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Uh, CF Bulbs are nothing new. They have been around for at least 10 years. I wonder where they all went???? I'm sure in the trash... I'm all for super bright LED bulbs. Needs more research to make them more affordable.

They are nothing new, but they are now starting to be sold in significant volume.
 

getbush

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Originally posted by: tenshodo13
I knew this would happen. Everyone pushes something for being safe, and it turns out they are just as harmful

Why didn't you warn us before hand you smug sonofabitch! Anything else we should know about?
If I find out side-curtain airbags cause cancer and you knew about way ahead of time I will be pissed.
 

ElFenix

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it says right on the bulb that there is a mercury hazard, i don't know how you could miss it. it's also on the back of the packaging.


houston has a hazardous waste disposal facility, i'll be taking the bulbs there when they're done. haven't lost one yet.
 

imported_Shivetya

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Well my house has many CFLs. I replaced all but the bathrooms, hall light (am not going to until burns out as its too high and inconvienent), and some outside lights.

Maybe I can buy some Mercury Credits somewhere?
 

getbush

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Only if you start up "Crazy Shivetya's Discount Mercury Credits" and buy them from yourself.
 

Mxylplyx

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Rainsford
This is stupid. In every situation, all the options will have certain drawbacks. That's not the point. The point is whether or not those drawbacks are worse or better than the drawbacks you get with the other options. The anti-environmentalist folks are getting a good chuckle out of this, but considering that CFC bulbs are about 4x as efficient as the best incandescents on the market, and considering that most of our power is generated by profoundly dirty technologies, I'd still say it counts as a win.

No one is saying go back to incadescents now except the radical righties on here.

Priceless. Now the choice in light bulbs has a political connotation attached to it. Soon I'll come to find that if I wipe my ass with my right hand instead of my left, I'm a radical right wing fundie.

 

WiseOldDude

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Died in a week, take it back for a refund or exchange. I had one die in a couple of days, and took it back and got a replacement.
 

Jeff7

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Oh, gee, is that why the packages say "do not dispose of in trash" and "product contains mercury?" Old news, I'm afraid.
 
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