Inception looking very promising **POSSIBLE SPOILERS INSIDE**

[MJinZ]

He spent more time in limbo since he died. I assume that means he would age more based on what they said about limbo earlier on in the movie.

Actually, that may have been clusterfucked area...

I mean Watanabe got shot in Level 1 (initial dream), so Level 2 & 3 really doesn't matter for timeline.

Someone will have to come up with a good explanation for why Watanabe was extremely old and why Leo wasn't nearly as old.

 

[MJinZ]

i could be wrong, but i dont remember them showing leo or his wifes face when they were old. i just remember them showing them holding hands from behind and nothing more.

But that's not the scene I"m talking about.

I'm talking about beginning minute scene and end scene with old Watanabe talking to Leo.

 

[rcpratt]

lokiju explained it. Watanabe was killed a few minutes before Cobb went after him, which translated to a few decades in limbo time.

edit: That was my understanding, at least. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[MJinZ]

That's also correct.

The Asian guy was in limbo for much longer (in limbo time) than Cobb was, which is why he was so much older looking.

They explained how the time moved throughout the movie, that was one of the key points discussed.

When Cobb and his Wife went so deep that they got stuck in limbo also, they were there so long that they grew old and grey together, he even said "we already did grow old together" and they showed the scenes where they were old and walking and that when they were laying on the train tracks, they were actually old. But when the awoke in the room after the train hit them they were young. It's not like in real time they were gone long, but in limbo time they were there for 50 years. That was a huge key element of the movie that was outlined very clearly IMO.

Time lasts exponentially longer the deeper you go, but there is no reason why Watanabe spent longer in Limbo than Leo.

 

[MJinZ]

lokiju explained it. Watanabe was killed a few minutes before Cobb went after him, which translated to a few decades in limbo time.

If I recall correctly, both Cobb and Ariadne entered Limbo BEFORE Watanabe was killed.

So that doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Aikouka]

If I recall correctly, both Cobb and Ariadne entered Limbo BEFORE Watanabe was killed.

So that doesn't make sense to me.

Nah, he died after tossing the grenade if I remember correctly.

 

[Regs]

Actually, that may have been clusterfucked area...

I mean Watanabe got shot in Level 1 (initial dream), so Level 2 & 3 really doesn't matter for timeline.

Someone will have to come up with a good explanation for why Watanabe was extremely old and why Leo wasn't nearly as old.

Spoiler

Don't forget about the part when Leonardo grew old with his wife. I just went and seen it and enjoyed it. I love these types of mind screw movies! I'm still digesting it but I believe I suggested a good clue. I think had something to do with Watanabe being on a higher level of inception and Leo was on a much deeper or lower level of inception when the time went through much slower. Leo I believe was in Watanabe's dream at the end and then woke up into his own. The whole time with his wife was him actually in someone else dream.

Damnit this is like algebra.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Seido died a few minutes before Cobb and Ellen Page's character dropped into the 4th level

 

[MJinZ]

Nah, he died after tossing the grenade if I remember correctly.

Well remember the reason they went into Limbo was to save Fischer when he "died" in Level 3.

They did not go into Limbo to save Watanabe or even go in to find Watanabe.

That means Watanabe had to have died AFTER both Ariadne and Cobb went into Limbo to get Fischer.

 

[HendrixFan]

IT works 'cause the US Military developed. Actually, the whole movie is a subconscious ploy by the Obama administration to bolster the US population's (and world's) opinion of the war efforts and US Military.

Interesting take since the idea was formed when Nolan was 16 and the script was started a decade ago. How could he have known about Obama then?

 

[MJinZ]

Seido died a few minutes before Cobb and Ellen Page's character dropped into the 4th level

Wiki agrees with my memory:

"During the confrontation with Mal in limbo, Saito has died in level three, thus passing into limbo, and Cobb remains in the limbo state to locate him and bring him back. When Cobb finds Saito in limbo he is an old man. Saito then reaches for a gun."

 

[Proprioceptive]

If I recall correctly, both Cobb and Ariadne entered Limbo BEFORE Watanabe was killed.

So that doesn't make sense to me.

No, if I have this correct, Cobb and Ariadne went into Cobb's sub-conscience, not limbo. You have to die to go into limbo. It's been two days and I'm still trying to get it all straight in my head. This is definitely something I may see a second time in the theaters.

 

[MJinZ]

Interesting take since the idea was formed when Nolan was 16 and the script was started a decade ago. How could he have known about Obama then?

LOL, that was completely tongue in cheek.

It would make a little bit more sense if Bush was still in office.

 

[Aikouka]

Well remember the reason they went into Limbo was to save Fischer when he "died" in Level 3.

They did not go into Limbo to save Watanabe or even go in to find Watanabe.

That means Watanabe had to have died AFTER both Ariadne and Cobb went into Limbo to get Fischer.

Yes, they went to save Fischer, but you can't forget that Cobb said he was going to stay behind to save Saito. He saw that he was dead when they went over to Fischer after Mal shot him.

 

[MJinZ]

No, if I have this correct, Cobb and Ariadne went into Cobb's sub-conscience, not limbo. You have to die to go into limbo. It's been two days and I'm still trying to get it all straight in my head. This is definitely something I may see a second time in the theaters.

Uh, yea Fischer died. Going into Cobb's subconscious wasn't going to help retrieve him.

 

[rcpratt]

Interesting take since the idea was formed when Nolan was 16 and the script was started a decade ago. How could he have known about Obama then?

Obama planted the idea in Nolan's dreams 25 years ago, obviously.

 

[MJinZ]

Yes, they went to save Fischer, but you can't forget that Cobb said he was going to stay behind to save Saito. He saw that he was dead when they went over to Fischer after Mal shot him.

Nope, see the Wiki above. He knew Saito died from a different clue while he and Ariadne were both in Limbo. I can't remember what tipped him off, but something happened around the time Ariadne shot Mal. Actually, Cobb tells Ariadne NOT to shoot him (to get him back to Level 3 - a make-do kicker) because Saito was there in Limbo and he had to find him. Hmmm damn I can't remember what gave it away to Cobb that Saito had died. He said something to effect of "blah blah blah, Saito must be here by now".

 

[lokiju]

If I recall correctly, both Cobb and Ariadne entered Limbo BEFORE Watanabe was killed.

So that doesn't make sense to me.

Ah, I see where you're confused now. In level 3 Cobb went to level 4 in a controlled manner, not by dying. They said before about if you die you're lost in limbo. Those that die in the dream stages don't just advance to the next stage and that's it, they're in a place that they don't realize they're even dreaming. Thus us true limbo. When Cobb went under in a controlled way that was more of a fourth level vs limbo by death.

Maybe this will help. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-TmWcCkYErY/TEJmm_OdxRI/AAAAAAAAIeg/RdYoJjc16X4/s1600/INCEPTION.jpg

Cobb did go to level four before the Asian Guy died in level 3 but the key difference is Cobb didn't die and Asian dude did.

Which makes me realize a actual paradox them that the Guy they were trying to actually plant the thought into did actually die yet was not old and was aware when Cobb found him. Well crap now that doesn't add up.

Excuse any typos, I typed this up on my Droid.

 

[Regs]

Spoiler

I think the wife is the key in the whole movie. At the end he demands the girl not to kill his wife almost like Cobb (leo) intentionally made up his wife in his sub-conscious to save him or awaken him from the dream so he would not get lost.

Wow, this movie is getting deep.

 

[MJinZ]

Ah, I see where you're confused now. In level 3 Cobb went to level 4 in a controlled Manet, nit by dying. They said before about if you die you're lost in limbo. Those that die in the dream stages don't just advance to the next stage and that's it, they're in a place that they don't realize they're even dreaming. Thus us true limbo. When Cobb went under in a controlled way that was more of a fourth level vs limbo by death.

Maybe this will help. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-TmWcCkYErY/TEJmm_OdxRI/AAAAAAAAIeg/RdYoJjc16X4/s1600/INCEPTION.jpg

Cobb did go to level four before the Asian Guy died in level 3 but the key difference is Cobb didn't die and Asian dude did.

Which makes me realize a actual paradox them that the Guy they were trying to actually plant the thought into did actually die yet was not old and was aware when Cobb found him. Well crap now that doesn't add up.

Exactly - if you die, you're lost in Limbo. Therefore, Cobb went into Limbo (to go after Fischer), not "level 4". Or rather Level 4 is Limbo and there is no Level 5.

Fischer definitely didn't just die and go into another level of dreaming lol... he went into Limbo.

Cobb went after that, that's the only way that makes sense.

Now how he entered Limbo without killing himself in Level 3 is a stretch, but I assume it's because by dreaming so deeply, he can achieve Limbo as he had already been there before.

 

[rcpratt]

All this confusion is making me want to go watch it again.

 

[MJinZ]

I think the wife is the key in the whole movie. At the end he demands the girl not to kill his wife almost like Cobb (leo) intentionally made up his wife in his sub-conscious to save him or awaken him from the dream so he would not get lost.

Wow, this movie is getting deep.

The wife was dead LONG ago.

All you see of the wife is a projection of Leo's mind - a shell, a ghost. It's not real, and Leo knew it, but his subconscious never let go.

Well, Ariadne did kill her. She killed his projection of her.

 

[Proprioceptive]

All this confusion is making me want to go watch it again.

Yep, I'm going to have to see it again... I finally found a movie more mentally trippy than Primer.

 

[HendrixFan]

Obama planted the idea in Nolan's dreams 25 years ago, obviously.

Totally makes sense now.

After thinking about the movie some the past couple days, I can say it is one of the best movies I have seen in a while (during a dry spell in good movies though). I can't wait to see it again.

I think the best part of the movie was that it could be enjoyed on a couple levels. I haven't seen a movie like that since Fight Club a decade ago. Both movies you can watch for entertainment and never think more about it again later, yet still be satisfied. Or you could think about the ideas and meanings expressed in the movie and see where that takes you. Almost every movie I have ever seen does one or the other, but not both. Most of my top ten movies are intellectual and heady, but would be a bore to alot of people.

I'm hoping that Inception gets better with repeated viewings, so I can really decide how I rate the movie. Any movie that doesn't get better with age and multiple viewings loses points with me.

 

[Regs]

Spoiler

Ah I think I figured it out. Cobb and his wife aged in a dream because they (or him) accepted it as reality while Cobb did not age in the last scene compared to Saito who accepted it as his reality and said he forgot through the "passage of time."