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Kyteland

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So it seems that I somehow missed that Caine = Cobb's Father?

It was a late showing, and I was sunburned from a day watching baseball. It didn't help that the theater was jam-packed with sweaty asian teenagers psoting on their glowing Evos throughout the flick and rasing the internal temp to 98 F.


I thought he was the father in law, Mal's father.
 

A Casual Fitz

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It didn't matter since Cobb wanted to stay in Limbo to find Saito. His death in level 1 doesn't affect anything since it would have sent him to Limbo (but he was already there anyway).

Here's what I think happened. They left Cobb in the van because it was pointless to save him as he was left in limbo. Up to this point they were all on the same timeline. At that point Cobb's character subsequently drowned, sending him out of the dream state he currently was in and BACK to limbo which was after Saito died and 2 levels up allowing many years to pass in limbo and thus, the age difference.
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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Damn, I love the score for this movie. First score I've purchased in a long time; can't get it out of my head.

KT

I also rarely purchase soundtracks, but this one was too good to pass up . I rather enjoy...

3 - Dream is Collapsing
6 - 528491
7 - Mombasa
9 - Dream Within a Dream
 

destrekor

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I also rarely purchase soundtracks, but this one was too good to pass up . I rather enjoy...

3 - Dream is Collapsing
6 - 528491
7 - Mombasa
9 - Dream Within a Dream

Agree, holy shit I do agree.

Mombasa is amazing. The rest of the list I also agree with, but I'd add, well... just make it all the tracks. :biggrin:
 

bfdd

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Feb 3, 2007
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Here's what I think happened. They left Cobb in the van because it was pointless to save him as he was left in limbo. Up to this point they were all on the same timeline. At that point Cobb's character subsequently drowned, sending him out of the dream state he currently was in and BACK to limbo which was after Saito died and 2 levels up allowing many years to pass in limbo and thus, the age difference.

or Cobb has better control over everything in the dream realm than pretty much anyone else so he could control his appearance just like the forger or prevent himself from "aging" if he wanted.
 

bfdd

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Feb 3, 2007
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They were two separate flashbacks of two different dreams. The movie clearly stated that they had gone under many times to explore.

I'm pretty sure it was the same dream, except they were shown age to express the fact they had lived many years together, they already shared a lifetime. Honestly I don't believe the movie takes place in Cobbs head. You guys have to remember even Mals projection is from his mind, she is limited by what his mind can create of her. If she tells him "you're stuck in a dream" it's him fighting with his own mind because he's confused over everything.
 

A Casual Fitz

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or Cobb has better control over everything in the dream realm than pretty much anyone else so he could control his appearance just like the forger or prevent himself from "aging" if he wanted.

I'd buy that short of the fact that he DID drown in that van... and all of a sudden he seemed really out of it and didn't know what was going on.
 

Patranus

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I thought the ending was pretty clear considering his children were the EXACTLY how he remembered them throughout the entire movie.
 

purbeast0

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I thought the ending was pretty clear considering his children were the EXACTLY how he remembered them throughout the entire movie.

but you have no clue the timeline of the movie, they never expolained it. it coulda been like 3 days timeline during the whole movie.

that is part of the ambiguity that i loved about the flick.
 

hans030390

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Feb 3, 2005
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I thought the ending was pretty clear considering his children were the EXACTLY how he remembered them throughout the entire movie.

I've seen other movies and television shows use this that don't involve dreams within dreams. It gives a sense of connection between a current scene and a previous scene (in this case, a memory that is likely not remembered entirely correctly and seeing it play out in the present). It also gives more resolution to see their faces in the same way he remembered it, I think. You're seeing what you saw before, but it actually finishes this time.

I'm not saying it's valid reason to believe he's still in the dream, but I feel like it's more stylistic than it is evidence given that it's used in other media.
 

JEDI

Lifer
Sep 25, 2001
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Damn, I love the score for this movie. First score I've purchased in a long time; can't get it out of my head.

KT

hm.. music didnt stick in my head.

THe only soundtrack i ever got was Ghost in the Shell. It was either from 1st Gig or 2nd Gig
 
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actuarial

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Here's my take on a couple things:

Cobb (first time), his wife, and Saito age in limbo because they believe it's real, so their minds take over and do things as if it were real. If they didn't age, they would be able to figure it out. Cobb/wife were younger again on the tracks because they realized it was a dream (he realized and made her realize), and thus took control of their aging again. I would be more satisfied with this explanation if in the final scene with Saito he looked younger again after seeing the top. Cobb didn't age the second time because he had experienced it before and could realize it was limbo.

It bothered me how they jumped off the building in level 4 to go up to level 3. I thought the explosives in the fortress were to bring them back up, since everywhere else in the movie you had to be kicked from above. Though, the kick was supposed to cause a feeling of falling in the level before, so causing yourself to fall makes sense. But then, what were the explosives in level 3 for, and why couldn't they just jump off a building instead of making elaborate kicks from above?

I think the whole movie was done on level 1 (so the whole movie was a dream), as Cobb tried to convince himself it was real. He talked about how deep him and his wife went (dream within dreams) but then when replaying it they killed themselves and went right to the hotel room. Shouldn't they have gone up level by level? And the whole spinning top thing was a little bothersome. Why would the top always spin perfectly in the dream? Just because they said so? Just because HE said so (when they tried to make clear he may not even be able to distinguish reality)? And even if that makes sense, it seemed that every time he spun the top in the 'real world' someone barged in and he knocked it himself (unless I missed a time that he let it drop).

Finally, the whole totem thing bothered me too. So Ellen Paige had the chess piece and carved something in the bottom that no one else saw. So in a dream, she can check to see if it is there (or even the weight of the die). So who put the chess piece there, the architect, or the dreamer? If the architect, they would have to know everyone's totem but only partially (which I guess makes sense), and if the dreamer, then it would be exactly as they remembered it. If it is the architect, the totem thing doesn't work to protect you if you are put into a dream by someone else, since you won't know if you lost it or if it just wanted created in the dream (maybe that's why they NEVER let it go though).

All in all though, loved the movie!
 

JEDI

Lifer
Sep 25, 2001
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and Cobb's totem made no sense to me.

why would tops not topple in dreams?
 

NFS4

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Just saw it this afternoon with the wifey. We thoroughly enjoyed it -- definite first day purchase on Blu-ray
 

Balt

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I also rarely purchase soundtracks, but this one was too good to pass up . I rather enjoy...

3 - Dream is Collapsing
6 - 528491
7 - Mombasa
9 - Dream Within a Dream

Listening to it now. Track 3 is fucking amazing. Makes me want to go see the movie again.

Edit: Track 12 is also incredible. The whole soundtrack is great, but I think 3 and 12 are my favorites.
 
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zerocool84

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Saw it again today. Arthur, the 3rd Rock from the Sun guy, near the beginning says that your "totem" is to prove to yourself that you're not in SOMEONE ELSE'S dream. Didn't remember the part that he said someone else's dream so it could still be your dream but then obviously like everyone has said it could all be one big Inception of his own.
 

Throckmorton

Lifer
Aug 23, 2007
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I think it's pretty clear that
the ending is not reality. The kids are wearing the same clothes as in the dreams, and they're playing in the yard exactly the same.

The question is whether the whole movie was a dream. Mal tells Cobb that even he's not sure if reality is real, with all this ridiculous stuff like multinational corporations chasing him around the world etc. Remember, she's projected by his mind, so she's pointing out what he's really feeling.

Does that mean that Mal was right when she killed herself to escape to the real reality? Or does it mean that he just had the same doubts about reality?

What about the train tracks? Is it implied that they killed themselves many times to get to where they were sleeping on the floor? Did they have the devices plugged in to their bodies, or not? Are the devices required for dream sharing in the first place, or are they only for sedatives?

BTW, I never figured out how you go into Limbo and rescue someone. Obviously it's not a matter of killing yourself in Limbo, because the point of Limbo is you can't escape.


Edit: Another thing, is it really a coincidence that the girl's name is Ariadne? Come on, no one is named that, but if your subconsciousness is creating characters it would be liable to pull relevant names from mythology.
BUT, that could easily be a statement by the filmmaker and not an indication of anything in the plot.

Ariadne was the daughter of King Minos who helped Theseus kill the Minotaur and escape the labyrinth. She ended up marrying Dionysus, the god of wine and intoxication (maybe relevant?).
Theseus (Dom Cobb) is one of the few humans in Greek mythology to visit the Underworld without being dead.

A lot of the reviewers say that it's a movie about movies, movies being shared dreams and all that, but I think it's a lot more than that. It's a movie about mythology and all other kinds of stories, as a kind of shared dream or manifestations of the subconscious. It's no coincidence that labyrinths play such a prominent role, not to mention the symbolism of the ocean as the subconscious.
 
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Kaido

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My friend's theory is interesting: It's all just a weird dream some guy is having while taking a nap on the beach.

#1 - the kids are wearing the exact same clothes when he comes back to reality at the end, as they were in all of his memories and dreams.

#2 - the first shot of the movie isn't Cobbs washing up on the beach. It's him playing with his wife and kids on the beach, and then lying down to take a nap.

There is no inception. There is only a guy having an interesting dream while taking a nap on the beach. The more you think about it, the more this makes sense.
 

TehMac

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I was under the impression that this was pornography for the intellectual.
 
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