Income inequality: exactly how much money should a person or corporation make?

[bshole]

Even there some lucky bastard is probably getting a second helping of dirt and tree bark to eat, and thus subject to your jealous disapproval.

That is a remarkably funny observation, I blew milk through my nose. LOL!

 

[CPA]

There is probably more equality in NK than the U.S.

And....?

 

[Vic]

3 replies, no answers to the questions.

Seriously, how many households do you think get to live for free with the amount you pay in taxes?

 

[brianmanahan]

Those social programs are taking care of your parents and your in-laws for you. I imagine if you were taking care of them yourself, it would be quite expensive......

i plan on taking care of my parents myself, and not having any in-laws to worry about.

i save almost as much for them (%15 of my income) as i do for myself (%25 of my income).

 

[Darwin333]

This "income inequality" thing is still talked about and I don't understand it.

How much should a corporation make?

As much as they can legally negotiate.

How much should a person make?

As much as they can legally negotiate.

How much should a person get paid not to work?

As much as they can legally negotiate.

On a related note, how is it right that I have to work my butt off to put food on the table, a roof over my family's head, internet and phone service, 2 cars, heat, ETC. but millions of people do not have to work to get those things? How is it right that the government takes money from me, to pay for those things for other people?

Because if we had truly poor people in this on the sort of level you are talking about you wouldn't have all of the things above. It is really that simple. You like living in a civilized society, truly hungry people do not jive with civilized society because they are friggen starving to death and will do absolutely anything it takes to not starve to death.

I get your frustration, we do have issues with entitlement programs in the US but you guys keep harping on the absolute wrong programs. We live in the richest nation in the world, personally I am proud of that fact and being proud of that fact I don't mind my tax dollars ensuring that no one goes hungry in the richest nation in the world. Regardless, the quickest way to lose all the stuff and lifestyle that you are so used to is to instantly create millions of truly hungry people. Desperation drives people to do horrible things they wouldn't normally do, check out a huge chunk of Africa for the results. If thats what you want, go live there and enjoy the uber low taxes.

 

[Darwin333]

Name one fucking thing the social programs you champion has done to improve my life. Mabye in your personal perspective society is better off if you take $10k from me in taxes and give it to the person only making $10k/year salary, but that it's 100% a value judgement over who is more "deserving" and you're an asshole to suggest I'm less deserving that the other person.

Your attempt to build turn a factual statement "society built schools and roads that you benefit from" (along with everyone else) into some sort of justification or moral obligation that "you should support a larger welfare state like I prefer" is the most ridiculous kind of argument.

Can you find me a country that has truly hungry people that isn't a shit storm?

And on the same questions, name one fucking thing that the .mil has done to improve my life since WW2. Nix that and your taxes get cut by a 1/3 or so but I noticed it wasn't on your list, why is that? Fuck feeding the poor (how very Christ like) but build the fuck out of super carriers and bombs despite that we are fairly well isolated in the world and don't have any sort of reasonable military threat to our homeland?

 

[Darwin333]

I posted limits on wealth already, companies should be fined for compensation over 5 million a year, a 200% fine for each dollar of compensation over 5 million annually. Self employed people should have a 25% fine for each dollar of self employed income over 5 million. This is in addition to income tax.

Income tax also needs to be raised to 50% at 1 million.

No needs to make millions a year, and no one should be allowed to.

I highly doubt the money would be "redistributed" like you think it would. We'd simply offshore our highest paying jobs (also the highest tax payers) and it would be lose/lose for everyone involved except the rich asshole who is now a citizen of whateverthefuck country but can visit and do business in the US as much as he/she so desires.

 

[himkhan]

This "income inequality" thing is still talked about and I don't understand it.

How much should a corporation make?
How much should a person make?
How much should a person get paid not to work?


On a related note, how is it right that I have to work my butt off to put food on the table, a roof over my family's head, internet and phone service, 2 cars, heat, ETC. but millions of people do not have to work to get those things? How is it right that the government takes money from me, to pay for those things for other people?

Hard working productive members of society aren't victims. Why do you sometimes paint yourself as one. If you envy the poor that to the point that you think they have it so much better than you, join them. Give away all your money, take a vow of poverty and join the Priesthood. I'll visit your church and put a $Fiver in the collection basket for you.

 

[piasabird]

Only people that pay federal income taxes should have a say in how the federal government is run.

 

[her209]

CEOs should be able to make as much money as they want. Hey, that fast food worker is getting paid more than minimum wage! Outrageous!

 

[DCal430]

I highly doubt the money would be "redistributed" like you think it would. We'd simply offshore our highest paying jobs (also the highest tax payers) and it would be lose/lose for everyone involved except the rich asshole who is now a citizen of whateverthefuck country but can visit and do business in the US as much as he/she so desires.

Those who move offshore should have all of their assets seized.

 

[Zaap]

The government should regulate this. They should determine the proper wage for every profession and what a corporation should be allowed to make, given the product/service that they provide. Anything in excess should go to the government so that they can distribute the money as they deem necessary.

If only these brilliant new ideas could be tried, comrade! Utopia on earth!

 

[compuwiz1]

Only people that pay federal income taxes should have a say in how the federal government is run.

QFT!

 

[infoiltrator]

Fundamentally a stable productive society rest on the belief you can get ahead and reasonably expect to stay there.
You want as narrow an underclass as possible, a majority in a productive low to high middle class, and rewarded but not oligarchic upper class.
Concentrations of too many poor or too rich rich tend to dominate the whole without good things happening.

 

[Matt1970]

If only these brilliant new ideas could be tried, comrade! Utopia on earth!

But this time it will work because, well, you know.

 

[Bateluer]

The answer is a person should be able to earn whatever amount of pay they are able to earn when acting in an ethical fashion.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There is probably more equality in NK than the U.S.

Yes that's probably true. Only the top government people have any wealth to speak of. The military would be next although most are poor and the rest live in miserable poverty. Your cure for cancer? Give it to everyone except the Dear Leader. That's equality!

You know you could go to NK and live the "good life". Since it's so much better why don't you?

 

[fskimospy]

Only people that pay federal income taxes should have a say in how the federal government is run.

For someone who talks about upholding the constitution you sure like violating the constitution a lot.

 

[rudeguy]

seriously, how many households do you think get to live for free with the amount you pay in taxes?

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[rudeguy]

For someone who talks about upholding the constitution you sure like violating the constitution a lot.

he didn't violate the constitution in the least. Maybe you should read the thing once. Its worth your time.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

he didn't violate the constitution in the least. Maybe you should read the thing once. Its worth your time.

The Constitution doesn't permit the government to forbid voting based on taxes. Where do you see that? I think you need to understand that the Constitution is intended to limit the power of what the government can do. The Bill of Rights is all about that.

 

[rudeguy]

The Constitution doesn't permit the government to forbid voting based on taxes. Where do you see that? I think you need to understand that the Constitution is intended to limit the power of what the government can do. The Bill of Rights is all about that.

All he did was suggest it, which is very much covered under the 1st amendment.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

All he did was suggest it, which is very much covered under the 1st amendment.

That he suggested it wasn't the issue, but the implementation would be and that is what's relevant. I can say "I think we should lock up everyone in NYC" and that's permitted if stupid. Doing it? Well that's another thing entirely.

 

[doubledeluxe]

This "income inequality" thing is still talked about and I don't understand it.

How much should a corporation make?
How much should a person make?
How much should a person get paid not to work?


On a related note, how is it right that I have to work my butt off to put food on the table, a roof over my family's head, internet and phone service, 2 cars, heat, ETC. but millions of people do not have to work to get those things? How is it right that the government takes money from me, to pay for those things for other people?

I would highly suggest that if you can't answer these questions you go out and travel. We're all allowed to have our opinions but you're making it out to be a one sided argument which it is not.

Travel to 20 countries. See the rich, the poor, the destitute, those with well established safety nets, those with none, those that choose between robbery and assault and eating since they were only given a remedial education in terrible schools and jobs pay $2/day, and then decide what you think would be best for the USA.

Ultimately we all want to have the best possible lives. Everyone is the same. They want food, shelter, a job, a family, and to live a life with dignity. When you make it incredibly difficult to do any of those things you end up with problems. So go out and see the world and figure out where you truly stand. Do you want to just have the bare minimum as far as benefits for the general society to avoid riots or are you willing to afford a higher standard of living for everyone at the expense of some profits? Nobody here is advocating Venezuelan type policies but when you ask such a basic question as how dare others get money and not work then it implies you don't understand our welfare system or even what's going on outside of your bubble.

 

[rudeguy]

That he suggested it wasn't the issue, but the implementation would be and that is what's relevant. I can say "I think we should lock up everyone in NYC" and that's permitted if stupid. Doing it? Well that's another thing entirely.

Right

Nutter accused him of violating the constitution, I pointed out that he didn't. You misread my reply. Now we are arguing strawmen.