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brycejones

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He said in thhe conference that he asked te community affected as to what they are lacking, and he claimed they said mental health support for mental health issues.
They aren't wrong, the elected leaders of Texas are psychopaths in desperate need of mental health treatment.
 
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Moonbeam

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I'm sure someone much more knowledgeable than me will point out that the two guns are not functionally the same, not in any way that can be objectively defined in a law (even _I_ could tell that the "assault weapons" category was a bit strange, being defined mainly in terms of aesthetic criteria).

But it does seem as if the aesthetics, for psychological reasons, seems to play into why spree shooters pick the AR15 as their weapon-of-choice for such things. Aside from its popularity in general, there seems to be a particular appeal "military-looking" rifles have to spree-shooters. Crime-related shootings (that also sometimes reach mass-shooter levels) seem far more likely to involve handguns.
One of the major attractions of the AR 15 is that it freaks out anti-gun nuts because of those same aesthetic characteristics you mentioned, coupled with the fact that if the wildly ignorant but sincere people worried about gun violence do manage to deflect from dealing with the issue of violence itself, which they surely will, it will be ARs that get banned. Every time ARs become a target their sales go through the roof. One of the biggest stimulants to gun sales is liberal hysteria and the fear based lunacy of their thinking.

Can you imagine a young person who grows up with a sense of self satisfaction because he knows his community appreciates and needs the function his existence provides killing as many other children as he can? I am pretty sure we will discover that our 18 year old killer somehow got a very clear message he was a piece of shit. I bet he just said to himself, OK thanks, this is what you are right looks like. You can't have a competitive system and expect those who suffer as losers to have compassion for other individuals. If you look closely at the world you will see vacuums sucking on vacuums. But who will look?
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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For so many gun owners the first thought in their heads when they see and hear about these mass murdering of children is: "Not my problem. My problem is making sure I get to hang on to my guns. Sorry 'bout those kids but like I said...."
 
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UNCjigga

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Look at this sickening statistic and that's only as of 2018
School shootings in the US compared with the rest of the world | CNN


At the risk of making a “BothSides” argument here, I think the problem is that we keep responding to these tragedies based on the news cycle of a single incident (because that’s what drives news cycles) rather than really looking at the aggregate with any consistency.

There is no magic gun law/restriction that will stop all school shootings in America. It’s impossible. Everyone knows this. So the argument about grabbing all guns—even grabbing all AR-15s or high capacity clips/magazines/cartridges/whatever—is asinine. Similarly, the whole “slippery slope” argument against any practical form of gun control is also asinine.

The goal isn’t to get to 0 gun deaths in schools. The goal is to see a reduction. Could we see a reduction with universal background checks, longer waiting periods for first-time buyers/under 21, and closing loopholes together with more mental health monitoring and guidance for under 18s??? Yes. At least it’s worth a shot.
 
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brycejones

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Has the gun used in this event received proper care and counseling for the trauma? Gun lives matter most.
 

Moonbeam

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I live n New York, and without even searching on the internet, I have a hunch that even AR's are probably banned in my state.
Some of the ones you can buy in Texas are. In California if you have an AR that does not have a fixed magazine, and you are limited to 10 rounds per mag, you can't have one with five scary features. (pistol grip, telescoping or folding stock, flash hider, grenade/flare launcher, forward pistol grip) This means that if you want an AR for defense it may mean a battle with somebody who doesn't care if his gun is much better at assaulting you as you are of protecting yourself. But if you fix the magazine so you have to break the gun open to change mags or load it by hand you can have all those scary features. It didn't take long for frustrated California geniuses to come up with a way to reduce the time loss from changing mags down to a couple of seconds.
 

Moonbeam

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Bad form!

I don't disagree with you though. I just hate the fact that even immediately after a school shooting, the phrase 'gun control' is still politically risky. What in the fuck.
How about making it illegal to defend your life against a criminal because all lives matter but your own. You wonder why it's politically risky because your apparently triggered by a pet peeve to which you've attached your ego that blinds you to everything else.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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How about making it illegal to defend your life against a criminal because all lives matter but your own. You wonder why it's politically risky because your apparently triggered by a pet peeve to which you've attached your ego that blinds you to everything else.
Ease down mooney, it was just a comment on current events. I'm not triggered by a pet peeve, I'm pissed that our entire ecosystem of government has crippled itself.
 

VashHT

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the racist dog whistle chicago whatabout trending on twitter after yet another mass shooting is as predictable as the sunrise.
Isn't it an oft repeated lie by right wingers that Chicago has super strict gun laws?
 

eelw

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Isn't it an oft repeated lie by right wingers that Chicago has super strict gun laws?
Most Chicago gun incidents are domestic or gang related violence. Right, all countries have this issue. But only shithole countries have these school shootings.
 
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Sunburn74

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So for the “Why don’t we have armed teachers” crowed here’s an excellent set of questions for you to answer.

Arming teachers is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The solution to gun violence is creating an arms race between shooters and defenders? The shooters are already wearing body armor. Should the teachers and students also wear body armor every day? When they start using grenades should we give the teachers grenades as well?

Also dont you think that if some teachers have guns in their classroom, a student may get their hands on it somehow ? Or a disgruntled teacher may use it in a moment of rage or anger?

Rather than trying to actually resolve this feverish state of fun violence america is in, their solution is to add fire to the flame.
 

vi edit

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Oct 28, 1999
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At the risk of making a “BothSides” argument here, I think the problem is that we keep responding to these tragedies based on the news cycle of a single incident (because that’s what drives news cycles) rather than really looking at the aggregate with any consistency.

There is no magic gun law/restriction that will stop all school shootings in America. It’s impossible. Everyone knows this. So the argument about grabbing all guns—even grabbing all AR-15s or high capacity clips/magazines/cartridges/whatever—is asinine. Similarly, the whole “slippery slope” argument against any practical form of gun control is also asinine.

The goal isn’t to get to 0 gun deaths in schools. The goal is to see a reduction. Could we see a reduction with universal background checks, longer waiting periods for first-time buyers/under 21, and closing loopholes together with more mental health monitoring and guidance for under 18s??? Yes. At least it’s worth a shot.

Yeah. There's no plot armor fix it all approach that can be done. It's just a series of thoughtful, intentional and practical problem solving we can do to slowly chip away at the variety of issues that go into these events.

I'm still firmly on AR-15 bans. There is absolutely no reason a civilian needs one of them. Fuck the second amendment on that. Do we let 18 year olds get sub machine guns? Nope. Just add them to that list. High capacity rounds are on there too. Again, if you need more than a handful of rounds available then maybe you need to reconsider your life choices.

Then move towards age restrictions on others. If you aren't mature enough to handle alcohol, then a fucking thing designed to kill should probably be out of reach too. Hell a lot of states are moving to almost 18 for fully unrestricted driving licenses. It's just insane we let 18 year olds wonder in and grab assault rifles off the shelf. Fuck that.

We need more school counseling increased by a factor of 10 fold. We had kids in distress before Covid. Now you add the GOP attack on trans and gay kids, plus covid, plus this bullshit and you just have a bottomless pit of despair and kids in crisis. Parents aren't equipped to handle a lot of this. As a parent I can try...but it's just not what I'm trained in.

And without needing any politician to lift a finger...just start paying attention to your kid. Like honest to god attention. So many of these situations seem like kids that were just ignored by their parents. Or pushed into extreme situations. The bullying cycle is devastating. Kids get bullied with no way to retaliate. Eventually they get sick of holding it in and explode in events like this. It's how they are expressing anger. There were probably dozens of clues along the way people just ignored. Hug your kids daily. Give them good attention. Raise them to be empathetic and compassionate towards others. We don't need laws or religion to teach that.
 

vi edit

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Arming teachers is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The solution to gun violence is creating an arms race between shooters and defenders? The shooters are already wearing body armor. Should the teachers and students also wear body armor every day? When they start using grenades should we give the teachers grenades as well?

Also dont you think that if some teachers have guns in their classroom, a student may get their hands on it somehow ? Or a disgruntled teacher may use it in a moment of rage or anger?

Rather than trying to actually resolve this feverish state of fun violence america is in, their solution is to add fire to the flame.

News today said that it took a trained federal officer to finally take this kid down, and even that officer was shot in the intervention. And that was after he evaded a couple onsite responders. Teachers didn't sign up for that role, nor should they have to.
 
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VashHT

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Most Chicago gun incidents are domestic or gang related violence. Right, all countries have this issue. But only shithole countries have these school shootings.
Oh yeah I know that, just saying what I did because republican leaders are pointing at Chicago as an example of strict gun laws not working.
 

gothuevos

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Saw a video from Beau after the Buffalo shooting about how the successor to the AR-15 (forget its name) is just about ready for public sale and that it generates a ton more damage than the AR. Body counts will continue to worsen.
 

Juiblex

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There are no words to express how fucking stupid you are.
Thanks...

I was right in my last statement though. You can't make this shit up.
 

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Sunburn74

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Oh yeah I know that, just saying what I did because republican leaders are pointing at Chicago as an example of strict gun laws not working.
It's funny. They point to Chicago and ignore the rest of the bloody world.
 
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