Incomprehensible mass shooting happens again

[fskimospy]

The reason why gun owners won’t listen to the science and get rid of their guns is that while they claim it’s to protect themselves and their family this is a lie. The real reason is cultural identity and a feeling of strength.

Owning a gun makes them feel better, even if it’s making their family less safe and for most people feeling better is the most important part.

 

[brycejones]

Depends on the person.

This right here says you’re a dumbass.

 

[dank69]

This motherfucker:

 

[eelw]

Depends on the person.

Sure you are until the moment you’re not.

There was that complaint I quoted per capital deaths, I didn’t remove suicides. Okay sure if one is at that point, they will usually find a way to still kill themselves. But far more impulsive to just pull a trigger than taking a knife to slit your wrists or downing a bunch of pills. And how many of these suicides aren’t murder suicides. Remove the gun, greatly reduce deaths. Source, the rest of the civilized world.

 

[conehead433]

Immoral lockdowns caused mass shootings. Lolz

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

So, tell us about the lockdowns at the times of Columbine, Heath, Sandy Hook and Stoneman among so many others.

 

[fskimospy]

This motherfucker:

He had to pick up his order from Chili’s a year and a half ago so he had no choice but to shoot a bunch of kids.

 

[brycejones]

He had to pick up his order from Chili’s a year and a half ago so he had no choice but to shoot a bunch of kids.

The shooting is Fauci's fault.

 

[JulesMaximus]

This right here says you’re a dumbass.

Because I know myself?

Is your argument really that you can’t trust that you know who you are as a person?

 

[fskimospy]

Because I know myself?

Is your argument really that you can’t trust that you know who you are as a person?

You do realize that every gun owner that has killed someone thinks they are a responsible gun owner right up until that point, right?

 

[thilanliyan]

Because I know myself?

Is your argument really that you can’t trust that you know who you are as a person?

What makes YOU special? (since all the data shows everybody is less safe with guns so prevalent)

 

[brycejones]

Because I know myself?

Is your argument really that you can’t trust that you know who you are as a person?

Nope, my argument is every gun owner believes themselves to be responsible until they aren't. The thousands who kill themselves each year with their guns believed as you do until they blew their brains out.

Ergo, you're a dumbass.

 

[K1052]

It is difficult to argue with the stats that owning a firearm increases risk. Sort of like how we know larger and heavier vehicles going faster causes more death. Everybody thinks they are a good driver though so we rationalize the risk as not applicable to us personally.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

^^^ Which is why I say insurance companies should add huge rates for home with death weapons, the same way they do for home with pools or some breeds of dogs.

 

[Zorba]

Alright, so we need a constitutional amendment. Good luck with that.

No, just a supreme court that doesn't make up bullshit to support their personal beliefs on the fly.

Nothing in the second amendment says anything about semi-auto guns.

 

[dank69]

We should be focusing on things that can realistically be done instead of fighting over owning guns or not. Yes, we all know the statistics say we are less safe with guns. We also all know that conservative media has been dehumanizing liberals for decades to the point that vast swaths of conservatives fetishize hunting liberals in the next civil war they cannot wait for, so it is probably also wise for liberals to consider arming themselves if we maintain the current trajectory. Hell, some fucking lunatic recently broadcast on some social media site that they are going to visit random Target stores and murder any trans supporters they encounter and as far as I know, law enforcement has done absolutely nothing about it.

So maybe knock off the name-calling of people who just want the means to defend themselves from something most of us can see coming, even if it might not be perfectly rational. There are ways to safely own guns if you are vigilant, just like it is possible to be a safe driver if you are vigilant. If someone wants to off themselves, that is also their right.

Universal background checks and raising the minimum age to own firearms and effective penalties for skirting both should be in the realm of possibility if enough Americans can be successfully motivated to vote blue. We aren't getting anything now. We aren't getting anything before 2024 without a few more Senators and keeping the House in 2022.

 

[fskimospy]

It is difficult to argue with the stats that owning a firearm increases risk. Sort of like how we know larger and heavier vehicles going faster causes more death. Everybody thinks they are a good driver though so we rationalize the risk as not applicable to us personally.

Yes, this exactly. Everyone thinks to themselves 'I'm a good driver, not like those maniacs out there'. Same with guns.

 

[Pens1566]

The arguments from the gun nutters are just ridiculous.

 

[Paratus]

Yes, this exactly. Everyone thinks to themselves 'I'm a good driver, not like those maniacs out there'. Same with guns.

It's also why we feel comfortable driving with a lifetime risk of dying of ~1/100 while being concerned about flying with a lifetime risk of dying of ~1/8000. When we feel in control we'll take much larger risks.

 

[NWRMidnight]

There is no proactive, only performative.

What law do you think Democrats are going to pass that will actually stop motivated criminals?

NYs SAFE act completely failed in Buffalo.

Cops stood outside Columbine, guard ran away at Stoneman Douglas, and looks like waited a while before coming in here.

Not to mention the day to day criminals carjacking, burglarizing and assaulting people.

People are left to fight only with their fists until the govt maybe, finally shows up.

Wow! Way to show everyone you are an idiot. Your post shows us that you know you don't have an argument, which is why you are trying to muddy the discussion by using terms like criminals, and throwing crimes into the mix that have NOTHING to do with mass shootings and the gun problem we have in this country. We are not talking about day to day criminals, we are not talking about carjacking's, or people burglarizing and assaulting people.. We are talking about Mass shootings and the gun problem we have in this country. You know that, and that is why you avoided asking what the democrats can do to stop or prevent mass shootings and other gun deaths, and to get the gun crisis under control, and substituted the term criminals.. You are purposely mudding the water because you know the answer to what the democrats can do. Just as you know that it's the Republican's standing in the way and preventing the democrats from taking the steps that will be required to get our gun crisis under control and to prevent such mass shootings from happening..

It's clear you don't even understand the safe act in NY. and why it doesn't apply to the shooter in Buffalo. Go educate yourself.

I already told you reactive solutions won't work.. yet, you try to throw out examples that are just that, reactive solutions that failed. thinking you are proving some point, only to re-enforce reactive solutions will never work.

It's clear you don't even understand what proactive means, or how it's the only way we will be able to prevent mass shootings and other gun deaths. The democrats are not being performative, that is a figment of your imagination in an attempt to fool yourself so you don't have to admit to the truth. The very notion of you thinking the democrats are just being performative, shows everyone you don't have a clue and don't understand any of what is being talked about. Or you are willfully being ignorant. You try to be clever with your responses not even realizing you are just making yourself look like a complete dumbass.

 

[Zorba]

I wish I could say I’m surprised but I’m not.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1529643462953521153

Of course they stood around. Cops want to be paid like their lives are in constant danger. But then want to act like they have no obligation to protect. Just sit around until the bad gun runs out of ammo or will, or is taken out be someone else.

 

[K1052]

Of course they stood around. Cops want to be paid like their lives are in constant danger. But then want to act like they have no obligation to protect. Just sit around until the bad gun runs out of ammo or will, or is taken out be someone else.

The hard limits of trying to solve every problem we face as a society by just adding more cops becomes ever more apparent.

 

[HomerJS]

^^^ Which is why I say insurance companies should add huge rates for home with death weapons, the same way they do for home with pools or some breeds of dogs.

or smokers

 

[SMOGZINN]

Cuz those are the easy ones. It's really hard to do 'semi-automatic weapons that are really good at killing people and also useful outside of killing people but people seem to use them a lot so we don't want them around... pending what people start using to shoot schools with, in which case we'll add those too'.

I am for banning anything that is not basically single action trigger. Bolt action, breach, or any form of single action trigger would be acceptable. Everything else should be turned in to a local municipality run militia that stores the firearms and allows civilians to come and get trained by a professional on their use and once certified can check them out for practice at the attached shooting range.

Until we overcome that, it doesn't matter what we ban, or how we ban it, people will find a way to be absolutely miserable to each other. The US needs a cultural revolution, not a gun ban (though they may come together).

You are correct, but that does not mean we have to give people the means to be absolutely miserable to each other more efficiently.
If we want to get better as a people we have to start by acting like we want to be better. You must be the change you want to see in the world.

What law do you think Democrats are going to pass that will actually stop motivated criminals?

Ah, yes, the old 'Criminals don't follow laws so what is the point of laws' argument. You understand that argument can be used for literally anything and therefor is not a valid argument? What is the point of having a law against murder, murderers don't follow the law!

Because I know myself?

Is your argument really that you can’t trust that you know who you are as a person?

Really? You think so do you?
You can't name a single time in your life that you did something out of character?

You think that you are a static being that never changes? That your beliefs today are the same as they were 10 years ago, and will be the same 10 years from now? You think you understand why you do the things you do? You (like everyone else) are not even very good at knowing your own motivations. More often than not you do something and then rationalize why afterwards. Your idea about who you are is probably not even that close to what others know of who you are based on your actual actions. It is impossible to objectively observe yourself.

 

[soulcougher73]