Incomprehensible mass shooting happens again

[Fenixgoon]

What's your commentary? Not that I plan on listening to any YouTube personalities on this topic.

 

[soulcougher73]

What's your commentary? Not that I plan on listening to any YouTube personalities on this topic.

That he is spot on with his GOP description.

 

[Brovane]

Yes, this exactly. Everyone thinks to themselves 'I'm a good driver, not like those maniacs out there'. Same with guns.

A driver can do things to increase their risk and they can also do things to decrease their risk while operating a vehicle.
Same thing with gun ownership. A gun owner can do things to increase their risk, I.E. Keep a loaded firearm in their sock drawer. Or decrease their risk, I.E. keep their firearms in a secure safe with ammo stored separately.

Owning a gun or using a vehicle safely depends on personal responsibility and following best practices.

 

[Fenixgoon]

A driver can do things to increase their risk and they can also do things to decrease their risk while operating a vehicle.
Same thing with gun ownership. A gun owner can do things to increase their risk, I.E. Keep a loaded firearm in their sock drawer. Or decrease their risk, I.E. keep their firearms in a secure safe with ammo stored separately.

Owning a gun or using a vehicle safely depends on personal responsibility and following best practices.

Everyone is a good driver and yet there are 30,000 deaths a year related to driving...

 

[HomerJS]

I'll be waiting for someone to explain this...
Guns are banned during Trump's speech at the NRA conference this week : NPR

 

[brycejones]

I'll be waiting for someone to explain this...
Guns are banned during Trump's speech at the NRA conference this week : NPR

Don't hold your breath, that's "special". Guns make everyone safer except when it's an NRA convention.

 

[eelw]

I'll be waiting for someone to explain this...
Guns are banned during Trump's speech at the NRA conference this week : NPR

Whether or not how much we hate him, he’s a former president. Certain security requirements will always be in effect.

But in a regular NRA event, do they allow open carries?

 

[Pens1566]

Whether or not how much we hate him, he’s a former president. Certain security requirements will always be in effect.

But in a regular NRA event, do they allow open carries?

I could see that argument if the event was only revolving around him, but it's a multi-day thing and he won't be there ALL the time.

IIRC, they've banned weapons before when it wasn't a USSS protected person involved.

 

[MrSquished]

Whether or not how much we hate him, he’s a former president. Certain security requirements will always be in effect.

The irony is the whole point dude.

 

[Bitek]

You are wrong about #1. Dems only have control of 2 branches. 50 DOES NOT give one control of the Senate just a plurality.

Yes, I meant WH, SENATE and House. The legislative parts, all that's needed to pass a bill on their own (and they still don't do reliably.)

Not the judiciary tho. I agree that was mis-stated.

They have 50, Shumer is Majority Leader, Harris is tie breaker. They chair the committees. Shumer controls the agendas.

If they can't pass legislation, that's their failure to be able to effectively wield the power they have. If they can't effectively use the power for public benefit, then they will likely lose it.

Hence my strong arguments for finding compromise.

Crying is not fair, and crying about the filibuster, and just taking destined to fail position votes so they just stand in front of cameras and cry about the Rs doesn't create any change.

My criticism is that this their behavior from the moment the news broke.

Beto pointing his finger during the press conference may play well on Twitter, but it does nothing to advance legislation, only his losing Gov campaign.

Just calling all gun owners responsible for the children's deaths is counter productive and illogical.

It's all politics and name calling.

 

[dank69]

Whether or not how much we hate him, he’s a former president. Certain security requirements will always be in effect.

But in a regular NRA event, do they allow open carries?

Pretty sure they do considering the SS had to demand they not allow them while the orange one is in the building.

 

[dank69]

Yes, I meant WH, SENATE and House. The legislative parts, all that's needed to pass a bill on their own (and they still don't do reliably.)

Not the judiciary tho. I agree that was mis-stated.

It takes 60 in the Senate to pass a bill...

 

[Brovane]

Everyone is a good driver and yet there are 30,000 deaths a year related to driving...

There is a lot of people that don't follow safe practices when driving. No, not everyone is a good driver.
I see people everyday on their cell phone talking/txt when driving despite that fact that this practice increases risk and it is against the law.
However I know that I personally lower my risk when operating vehicle by not using my phone when driving.
My actions directly contribute to how safe driving is for me. It cannot reduce the risk to zero but it can reduce the risk.

 

[repoman0]

We should be focusing on things that can realistically be done instead of fighting over owning guns or not. Yes, we all know the statistics say we are less safe with guns. We also all know that conservative media has been dehumanizing liberals for decades to the point that vast swaths of conservatives fetishize hunting liberals in the next civil war they cannot wait for, so it is probably also wise for liberals to consider arming themselves if we maintain the current trajectory. Hell, some fucking lunatic recently broadcast on some social media site that they are going to visit random Target stores and murder any trans supporters they encounter and as far as I know, law enforcement has done absolutely nothing about it.

So maybe knock off the name-calling of people who just want the means to defend themselves from something most of us can see coming, even if it might not be perfectly rational. There are ways to safely own guns if you are vigilant, just like it is possible to be a safe driver if you are vigilant. If someone wants to off themselves, that is also their right.

Universal background checks and raising the minimum age to own firearms and effective penalties for skirting both should be in the realm of possibility if enough Americans can be successfully motivated to vote blue. We aren't getting anything now. We aren't getting anything before 2024 without a few more Senators and keeping the House in 2022.

This is why I bought a handgun a couple years ago. I have never shot it or even touched it since throwing it in a locked case after purchase and have next to no interest in doing so. I barely know how to use it and realistically if someone broke in I’d grab my outdoors knife instead. I’m about to sell it back because I’ll be moving to Canada rather than shooting a bunch of redneck fascists if it really comes to that.

So yeah, even as a gun owner myself I know it’s irrational and pointless, and honestly it would make a pretty boring hobby. I’ve been shooting at ranges a handful of times with other people and really don’t get the fetish with it.

 

[MrSquished]

It takes 60 in the Senate to pass a bill...

Apparently he has never heard of that little thing called the fillibuster.

 

[dainthomas]

Whether or not how much we hate him, he’s a former president. Certain security requirements will always be in effect.

But in a regular NRA event, do they allow open carries?

Guns haven't been allowed at other NRA conventions without former presidents.

But why does the Secret Service hate the 2nd amendment? According to gun culture ideology, a room full of people with guns should be the safest place on the planet.

 

[dainthomas]

Of course they stood around. Cops want to be paid like their lives are in constant danger. But then want to act like they have no obligation to protect. Just sit around until the bad gun runs out of ammo or will, or is taken out be someone else.

These guying getting paid with tax dollars to stand around in their tacticool looking gear for an hour while ten year olds get methodically slaughtered in the building. And threatening to taze parents who wanted to go in and save their kids on top of it (Presumably because brave parents getting killed would make them look even more cowardly, if possible).

Can we get all these guys a meeting with the Bobs? "What would you say...you do here?"

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

No, just a supreme court that doesn't make up bullshit to support their personal beliefs on the fly.

Nothing in the second amendment says anything about semi-auto guns.

I'd really rather not walk down this very well-trodden path, but I would like to point out that you're basically saying that the solution to a supreme court that makes decisions on the fly is to get a different supreme court to make new decisions on the fly that support what you want. That's what got us into this shitstorm to begin with.

I am for banning anything that is not basically single action trigger. Bolt action, breach, or any form of single action trigger would be acceptable. Everything else should be turned in to a local municipality run militia that stores the firearms and allows civilians to come and get trained by a professional on their use and once certified can check them out for practice at the attached shooting range.

Does that include pump-action shotguns? So everything single action or manual reload. Might be workable from a technical standpoint (assuming no asshat neckbeards find a technical way around it) but you've got an absolute nightmare of a hill to climb to get it. 400m guns in america, at least half are double-action, probably closer to 90% if you're gonna throw pump shotguns in there.

You are correct, but that does not mean we have to give people the means to be absolutely miserable to each other more efficiently.
If we want to get better as a people we have to start by acting like we want to be better. You must be the change you want to see in the world.

And what's super fun about that is any attempt to get better results in more fighting, more sickness, and more death. Every attempt to dig upward just results in digging downward.

 

[quikah]

Oh wow, I didn't even know this was actually true when I wrote the above. For fuck's sake man!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1529585786848411651

Meanwhile, after grabbing their kids, some cops just restrained parents from doing anything about it... all while just standing around in their tacticool outfits.

(Sorry if this has been posted already. Haven't had a chance to scroll through all the pages)

This reminds me of the 3 laws of robotics. They are very specific, and in a specific order.
1. A robot may not harm a human or through inaction cause a human to be harmed.
2. A robot must obey orders from humans except that conflict with the first.
3. A robot must not let harm come to itself except where action will violate rule 1 or 2.

Police seems to follow the rules in reverse. (very simplified observation, lots of grey area, etc.)

 

[iRONic]

Take the Aurora theater shooting. Let say 1/3 are packing. Lanza starts shooting

Adam Lanza was the Sandy Hook shooter.

 

[dainthomas]

Adam Lanza was the Sandy Hook shooter.

To be fair, it's pretty difficult to keep all the mass shooters straight in this country.

 

[Kaido]

To be fair, it's pretty difficult to keep all the mass shooters straight in this country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Fucking stupid PG-13 Robocop movie missed such an incredible opportunity to show OCP marketing Robocop as a no bullshit school enforcer and even having him blow away some dumbass school shooter in the middle of class and having all the kids cheer and go back to learning.

What a fucking missed opportunity.

 

[iRONic]

*Taps his sarcasm meter*

 

[HomerJS]

Yes, I meant WH, SENATE and House. The legislative parts, all that's needed to pass a bill on their own (and they still don't do reliably.)

Hence my strong arguments for finding compromise.

Remember when Democrats couldn't get voting rights past the filibuster? They gave the bill to Joe Manchin to craft a compromise. He did that and Republicans still voted no.

What makes you think Republicans have ANY interest in being honest brokers??