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Brovane

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Guns in the home doubles your risk of being killed, and triples your risk of suicide.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M13-1301

From the linked journal article. You don't implement safe practices in handling and storing firearms then you will place yourself at greater risk.

Specific characteristics about storage and types of firearms seem to increase suicide risk. Firearms that are stored loaded or unlocked are more likely to be used than those that are unloaded or locked (6, 7), and adolescent suicide victims often use an unlocked firearm in the home (8).
 

Pens1566

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From the linked journal article. You don't implement safe practices in handling and storing firearms then you will place yourself at greater risk.

Specific characteristics about storage and types of firearms seem to increase suicide risk. Firearms that are stored loaded or unlocked are more likely to be used than those that are unloaded or locked (6, 7), and adolescent suicide victims often use an unlocked firearm in the home (8).

It's not pinning the increase solely on the storage, if that's what you're getting at.
 

fskimospy

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From the linked journal article. You don't implement safe practices in handling and storing firearms then you will place yourself at greater risk.

Specific characteristics about storage and types of firearms seem to increase suicide risk. Firearms that are stored loaded or unlocked are more likely to be used than those that are unloaded or locked (6, 7), and adolescent suicide victims often use an unlocked firearm in the home (8).
You place yourself at greater risk by owning a gun to begin with but yes, poor storage increases that risk even further.
 

Brovane

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It's not pinning the increase solely on the storage, if that's what you're getting at.

Does the study accounts for other variables, Was the Gun Legally obtained? Does a Felon lives in the house? Does the household have a history of domestic violence?

I could easily see that a felon with a illegally obtained gun in a house that is stored loaded and unlocked would make that household less safe.
 
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Does the study accounts for other variables, Was the Gun Legally obtained? Does a Felon lives in the house? Does the household have a history of domestic violence?

I could easily see that a felon with a illegally obtained gun in a house that is stored loaded and unlocked would make that household less safe.
No true scotsman fallacy. Statistics don't lie, and I say that as a gun owner.
 

Pens1566

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Does the study accounts for other variables, Was the Gun Legally obtained? Does a Felon lives in the house? Does the household have a history of domestic violence?

I could easily see that a felon with a illegally obtained gun in a house that is stored loaded and unlocked would make that household less safe.

Maybe even a certain ammo type would explain it, right?
 

TheVrolok

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I'm not convinced that owning guns makes me less safe. You can argue that as a nation that embraces guns that we are less safe than nations with lower gun ownership but me personally? I don't think I'm less safe for having a gun in the home considering that I am the only one with access to or any desire to access them. I have seen no proof to sway me otherwise. You can't just say that because other people kill themselves that I am more likely to kill myself. It's a ridiculous argument.

Which is more ignorant, the foot or the foot who argues with it? I am the right foot, you are the wrong foot.
Tell me you don't understand risk or epidemiology and are too involved with firearms emotionally without telling me...
 

fskimospy

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Does the study accounts for other variables, Was the Gun Legally obtained? Does a Felon lives in the house? Does the household have a history of domestic violence?

I could easily see that a felon with a illegally obtained gun in a house that is stored loaded and unlocked would make that household less safe.
Yes, studies account for that. It's a very robust finding.
 

brycejones

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Does the study accounts for other variables, Was the Gun Legally obtained? Does a Felon lives in the house? Does the household have a history of domestic violence?

I could easily see that a felon with a illegally obtained gun in a house that is stored loaded and unlocked would make that household less safe.
Based on this post I would argue you having a gun places you at more risk period.
 

fskimospy

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Doubtful, he'll cling to his position up to the moment he eats his gun or kills an intruder family member.
I find people are happy to just endlessly find reasons not to accept evidence that tells them what they don’t want to hear so it’s helpful to have them articulate what eveidende they will accept or then at least admit they are not open to evidence.
 

JD50

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Please, statistics can be made to prove anything. Ever read 'Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics'?

You should just accept that owning a gun makes you less safe and admit that you're ok with the risk, it'd make you look way less stupid than saying shit like that all the other nonsense you've said in this thread.

I still have a gun from back almost 20 years ago when I was a cop, I keep it disassembled in a safe in a separate place from any ammunition. I was going to sell it a few years back and then conservatives absolutely lost their mind. I'm deep in Trump country and I'm quite vocal about my political views on the local FB groups, and it's a small town. I think I'll be holding on to that gun a while longer, even if statistically it makes me less safe. I'm ok with taking that risk.
 

iRONic

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I'm not convinced that owning guns makes me less safe. You can argue that as a nation that embraces guns that we are less safe than nations with lower gun ownership but me personally? I don't think I'm less safe for having a gun in the home considering that I am the only one with access to or any desire to access them.
You’ve posted a pic here of your son shooting your weapons, correct? What would you do if he somehow was inebriated, on drugs, had a mental health issue and got a weapon out and harmed himself or your wife?
 

Saylick

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*sigh... Why does it always have to be "It can affect me, so now it's relevant" before politicians even considering acting on something. Even if he didn't have grandchildren, the fact that it's a child to begin with, doesn't matter whose, should be enough motivation to do something. Shit, I ain't got grandchildren. I ain't even got kids! But it doesn't take Ghandi levels of empathy to realize this is a big deal.
 

brycejones

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I find people are happy to just endlessly find reasons not to accept evidence that tells them what they don’t want to hear so it’s helpful to have them articulate what eveidende they will accept or then at least admit they are not open to evidence.

What evidence do you have of this to convince me?
 
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