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Five dollars says he’ll still not doing anything about it.
Based on this post I would argue you having a gun places you at more risk period.
GOP/wannabe GOP don't have empathy...ironic since a lot of them profess their love of Jesus Christ.Shit, I ain't got grandchildren. I ain't even got kids! But it doesn't take Ghandi levels of empathy to realize this is a big deal.
Ah, yes, the old 'Criminals don't follow laws so what is the point of laws' argument. You understand that argument can be used for literally anything and therefor is not a valid argument? What is the point of having a law against murder, murderers don't follow the law!
No true scotsman fallacy. Statistics don't lie, and I say that as a gun owner.
Owned firearms for over 25+ years. I am intelligent enough to properly own and safely use a firearm. However based on your posts I would argue that you owning a firearm might not be a good thing for you.
The main threats from having a gun in the home are not accidents, which safe storage prevents. They are suicide, which safe storage does not prevent, and homicide, which safe storage largely doesn’t prevent.Context matters a lot.
My risk of dying from COVID goes way down if I am vaccinated. The context of me being vaccinated matters a lot with my risk to COVID.
The context of knowing how to safely store and use a firearm matters a lot in regards to the risk from owning one.
You remind me of people who claim they cannot be brainwashed and are immune to advertising influence and propaganda.
Ironically, they are all universally puppets and completely oblivious to it.
Fact: Owning guns puts you and others in your home at an increased risk of death statistically.
Yes,. there are steps you can take to lower that risk., However, DENYING that risk simply elevates the risk.
The fact that you deny the risk, rather than recognize it and take steps to diminish it speaks volumes.
Remember when Democrats couldn't get voting rights past the filibuster? They gave the bill to Joe Manchin to craft a compromise. He did that and Republicans still voted no.
What makes you think Republicans have ANY interest in being honest brokers??
Owned firearms for over 25+ years. I am intelligent enough to properly own and safely use a firearm. However based on your posts I would argue that you owning a firearm might not be a good thing for you.
You want to invalidate the argument because it's an inconvenient and immovable fact you don't want to have to deal with, and democratic gun control policy tends to just ignore it, and then fails.
Eg SAFE act in Buffalo
Democratic policies are vigorously fought by the gun community because they are written in a position hostility to the law abiding community, but do little to actually stop determined criminals.
It's like watching Trump trying to make public health policy. He doesn't know what TF he is talking about, but thinks he knows everything, suggests idiotic solutions, and just pisses ppl off who do know, and results in a track record of failure.
The main threats from having a gun in the home are not accidents, which safe storage prevents. They are suicide, which safe storage does not prevent, and homicide, which safe storage largely doesn’t prevent.
I never denied the risk.
All I did was question the level of risk that some are claiming from owning a firearm when that firearm is properly stored and handled.
Here is the deal skippy, I don't need murder toys. That's your strange bag.
But your I'm rubber you're glue response is some weak ass shit.
Are you looking for the odds ratio? It makes you about ten times more likely to die from suicide.What is the increased risk in suicide for someone owning a firearm that is safely stored versus someone who doesn't own a firearm?
The main threats from having a gun in the home are not accidents, which safe storage prevents. They are suicide, which safe storage does not prevent, and homicide, which safe storage largely doesn’t prevent.
Having a gun in the home is inherently dangerous to the inhabitants, it doesn’t protect you, it puts you at risk. You never know if you might feel suicidal someday, and having a gun in the house can turn a fistfight into a gunfight.
Are you looking for the odds ratio? It makes you about ten times more likely to die from suicide.
Guns in the home and risk of a violent death in the home: findings from a national study - PubMed
Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
It’s really bad.
There are lots of factors that lead people to suicide, including cultural ones. Regardless, the science is very clear in the US that the average person is at dramatically larger risk of completed suicide if they own a gun. This is just a fact.The US is not particularly high in suicide rates globally. South Korea is #4, and they tend to poison themselves or jump off bridges.
In Japan, suicide is the leading cause of death for young men and women (eg 20s, 30s, 40s) yet have very strict gun laws.
This shows a lack of understanding of how suicide works. It is not the result of a carefully considered plan, it’s a unique moment of despair. Most people who attempt suicide and fail never attempt it again, so the means people use matter a lot. Guns are a very effective method of suicide, so they are uniquely dangerous in that way.This idea that if you have a gun and will just be inspired to shoot yourself in the face doesn't make much sense when we own 45% of all the guns in the world.
Nor does it hold much weight thinking that someone who wants to do it they can't figure a way out.
There are lots of factors that lead people to suicide, including cultural ones. Regardless, the science is very clear in the US that the average person is at dramatically larger risk of completed suicide if they own a gun. This is just a fact.
This shows a lack of understanding of how suicide works. It is not the result of a carefully considered plan, it’s a unique moment of despair. Most people who attempt suicide and fail never attempt it again, so the means people use matter a lot. Guns are a very effective method of suicide, so they are uniquely dangerous in that way.
The better question to ask is if these mass killings (then often suicide) are actually a perverse form of suicide by these typically young, loser males.
Guns have been readily available for over 100 years, but why now the act is to mass murder in the most reprehensible way possible before killing yourself.
Columbine: mass murder, suicide. HS males
Sandy hook: shoot mom, mass murder, suicide. Young male.
Virginia Tech: mass murder, suicide. Young male.
Santa Fe, TX: mass murder, intended suicide, but backed out. Young male.
Buffalo: mass murder, almost suicide, but bitched out. Young male.
Christchurch: Mass murder, perp was an abuse victim, father committed suicide. Racist manifesto. 28 male.
CA incel shooting: Mass murder of women, suicide. Young male.
School Shooting as a Culturally Enforced Way of Expressing Suicidal Hostile Intentions:
And it's not only shootings, and it's not only the USA. Care to look at the epidemic of mass stabbings in China? Yes, often in elementary schools...
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Both parties have to be interested in governing for compromise to be possible.
Your dishonesty is tiring. You aren’t the first poster to pull that routine here.Here is the deal your personal attacks on me when I disagree with you are really getting weak and pathetic. Why don't you try and sell your brand of BS to someone else.
over half the politicians in congress WANT to do something. the other (slightly less than) half are preventing anything from happening. you need to change the half that won't do anything in order to actually get something done. and guess what? the people who elect that intractable half don't give a flying fuck. so we're stuck.Demand better politicians then.
Biden's raison d'etre was that he was an old master of the Senate, jovial, a deal maker, could get things done.
Stop making excuses for failure.