Indeed. The selfishness that it’s more important that they keep their guns than stop this violence. Shit hole countryIf you aren’t on the side of action to stop this from happening, fuck you.
Indeed. The selfishness that it’s more important that they keep their guns than stop this violence. Shit hole countryIf you aren’t on the side of action to stop this from happening, fuck you.
If you aren’t on the side of action to stop this from happening, fuck you.
Not an accurate statement. However, mass shootings have been around for as long as that. You can't buy TNT at a Hardware store due to an act of School Violence. Such an event is also why you can't buy a Full Auto firearm. For awhile AR15s were banned as well and during that ban it decreased these incidents.
This should be pretty easy to verify. Take the last gun legislation passed by democrats in the house and show us yourself which parts are hostile to existing gun owners. How much time do you need?
You can choose either bill:
Here are the gun bills stalled in Congress
Tuesday’s massacre at a Texas elementary school, in which a gunman killed 19 children and two adults, reignited calls to pass gun control legislation that has been stalled in Congress, in some case…thehill.com
So you’re saying you didn’t read the evidence.So if it's so effective, and guns so readily available, why isn't USA #1 in suicides?
Pretty weak correlation you are trying to draw here.
Belgium, Iceland, Japan, South Africa, Australia, Finland... Lots of suicides, not a lot of guns..
Here's also an NIH study. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12764330/
Yes, odds of suicide by firearm are higher, but odds of suicide are lower for other means.
Ergo, guns are preferred over jumping off bridges or sucking car exhaust like the Asians do.
The overall quoted rates are much lower than the study you linked. Curious of the methodology, but can't tell from an abstract.
So you’re saying you didn’t read the evidence.
To be fair, "thoughts and prayers" doesn't meant "God, please prevent this from happening again". I thought it means "Sorry for your loss; my thoughts are with you in this trying time".Why is it the "Thoughts & Prayers" crowd, which is millions it seems, haven't caught onto the fact that praying hasn't worked?
I mean if it did, the mass shootings would have gone away a long time ago. You would think by now they would feel a bit silly.
I mean there are really only 2 conclusions a rational person would come to.
1. God doesn't exist, therefor and I'm wasting my time.
or
2. God does exist, hears my prayers and the other millions...but just doesn't care. Thus wasting my time.
I know I'd feel really silly right now if I were religious and pandered this crap.
/rhetorical
So if it's so effective, and guns so readily available, why isn't USA #1 in suicides?
Pretty weak correlation you are trying to draw here.
Belgium, Iceland, Japan, South Africa, Australia, Finland... Lots of suicides, not a lot of guns..
Here's also an NIH study. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12764330/
Yes, odds of suicide by firearm are higher, but odds of suicide are lower for other means.
Ergo, guns are preferred over jumping off bridges or sucking car exhaust like the Asians do.
The overall quoted rates are much lower than the study you linked. Curious of the methodology, but can't tell from an abstract.
If you have a study that contradicts mine please post it.I read your abstract with the outlying data, read a different abstract, different conclusion, posted the global suicide rates which demonstrate your study doesn't really pass a sanity check.
Overall poor association globally with suicide rates and gun ownership.
Then you pivot to "but culture". How many suicides exactly will be stopped by your policy (which will never happen because it's unconstitutional.)
If you want to save a bunch of lives, ban sugar and fast food. Twice as many die from diabetes than suicide.
To be fair, "thoughts and prayers" doesn't meant "God, please prevent this from happening again". I thought it means "Sorry for your loss; my thoughts are with you in this trying time".
I read your abstract with the outlying data, read a different abstract, different conclusion, posted the global suicide rates which demonstrate your study doesn't really pass a sanity check.
Overall poor association globally with suicide rates and gun ownership.
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I really wish people would just say ‘I love guns and I don’t care about the facts’ as opposed to inventing reasons why gun ownership isn’t dumb.Please explain your logic, in detail, with whatever references you used. It seems like you're building strawmen?
Gotcha, but I don't think the prayers part meant "I pray that God will prevent this from happening again", does it? Sorry, I am not much a religious person so I don't do a whole lot of praying for anything really, so this is foreign to me. I thought the "prayers" part meant that I hope you have a quick recovery. Unfortunately, there ain't no recovery from the loss of one's child. God ain't gonna bring that kid back.I believe that is what the "thoughts" part of "Thoughts and Prayers" is for.
Totally agreed. I can speak for myself, I own firearms. I have them about as safe as I can make them (disassembled, locked up, no ammo in the house) and I can still freely admit that it puts myself, my wife, and my kids at increased risk for injury or death by gun violence. It's an incredibly incredibly small risk, but it isn't zero. It's also a risk I'm constantly reevaluating. It's not some admission of weakness to admit facts as it seems it is with some folks, I don't know?I really wish people would just say ‘I love guns and I don’t care about the facts’ as opposed to inventing reasons why gun ownership isn’t dumb.
Totally agreed. I can speak for myself, I own firearms. I have them about as safe as I can make them (disassembled, locked up, no ammo in the house) and I can still freely admit that it puts myself, my wife, and my kids at increased risk for injury or death by gun violence. It's an incredibly incredibly small risk, but it isn't zero. It's also a risk I'm constantly reevaluating. It's not some admission of weakness to admit facts as it seems it is with some folks, I don't know?
Totally agreed. I can speak for myself, I own firearms. I have them about as safe as I can make them (disassembled, locked up, no ammo in the house) and I can still freely admit that it puts myself, my wife, and my kids at increased risk for injury or death by gun violence. It's an incredibly incredibly small risk, but it isn't zero. It's also a risk I'm constantly reevaluating. It's not some admission of weakness to admit facts as it seems it is with some folks, I don't know?
I really wish people would just say ‘I love guns and I don’t care about the facts’ as opposed to inventing reasons why gun ownership isn’t dumb.
I really wish people would just say ‘I love guns and I don’t care about the facts’ as opposed to inventing reasons why gun ownership isn’t dumb.
You are grasping at poorly supported reasons for unconstitutional policies that have nothing to do with school shootings.
You can't actually articulate how many lives you would save, and your conclusions aren't supported by global trends.
There are causes of significant numbers of preventable deaths that you aren't touching, but you don't like guns, so you want to focus on that and impose your choices on everyone else.
And then wonder why the democratic party is toxic to gun owners and no meaningful public safety legislation can be passed.
21 lives could have been saved 2 days agoYou can't actually articulate how many lives you would save, and your conclusions aren't supported by global trends.