Yeah... no:I hear you all and we’d like to think that we pay them well enough to put their lives on the line but by putting that expectation on people with guns we are creating an environment where the “good guys” shoot first. Cops are not heroes they are regular people and when we put unrealistic expectations on them we set them up for failure which is why they lack serious training in handling more challenging situations.
My only point was, using a group of lawyers to interpret text instead of actually defining the rules appropriately is dumb, and doesn't work for long.So you believe the second amendment has nothing to do with protecting a free state, being part of a militia, and allows any and all types of guns to be owned without restriction?
But somehow other weapons, like brass knuckles, aren't protected...
I'm pretty sure a semi auto ban would be in line with Heller, any ways.
My reasons are supported by voluminous quantitative research. I can link you as much as you would like that show gun ownership increases your risk of death by both suicide and homicide.You are grasping at poorly supported reasons for unconstitutional policies that have nothing to do with school shootings.
You can't actually articulate how many lives you would save, and your conclusions aren't supported by global trends.
If you have other ideas to limit preventable deaths I’m interested to hear them too!There are causes of significant numbers of preventable deaths that you aren't touching, but you don't like guns, so you want to focus on that and impose your choices on everyone else.
And then wonder why the democratic party is toxic to gun owners and no meaningful public safety legislation can be passed.
What would it take to get the gun manufacturers liable? And not that tiny settlement recently. Something to bankrupt them
I cant quite figure you out.Thanks for sharing your views Trump cheerleader.
Let’s be honest here, cops not being heroes isn’t the issue, they are only human and you can’t expect anyone to put their life on the line. The issue really is that we expect cops, teachers, or whoever the fuck else gun nutters want to put in schools, to be these heroes in the first place. It’s a ridiculous and unrealistic expectation that’s used to ignore real solutions.
Same thing happened in Parkland, but it was just the one cop (guard? I forget).Two different issues, surely?
It's been reported the cops milled around outside in this case for at least an hour (stopping parents who wanted to go in). Surprising because as I recall the same thing happened at Columbine (with the SWAT guys hanging around outside doing nothing while people died) and there was such a fuss about it I had the impression there was a very explicit change in policy after that.
Same thing happened in Parkland, but it was just the one cop (guard? I forget).
Apparently the shooter was firing outside the school for 12 minutes prior entering?? I can’t get past the paywall.
If you have other ideas to limit preventable deaths I’m interested to hear them too!
As far as why no meaningful public safety legislation can be passed it’s because Republicans are fine with the current level of gun violence in the US and see no need to change.
The cops lied. Crazy. No one did anything for an hour. I was watching a video a few days ago, before the actual truth surfaced that not one cop enetered the building, about how the cops were heroes and pursued the teen into the building. The actual truthis this teen was in the school for ONE HOUR doing what he wanted. Those cops should be ashamed of themselves.
I agree. If only we didn't have a radical group of lawyers over turning all those defined rules.My only point was, using a group of lawyers to interpret text instead of actually defining the rules appropriately is dumb, and doesn't work for long.
Right now it seems to me that in general in the US, people have a low trust in the Government(Police included) and each other. We had a President who didn't accept election results. Millions of Americans purchased guns the last 2-years as we had the government at all levels putting into place what seemed to be arbitrary lockdowns. Firearm ownership is at a all time high, people are not willing to give up more control to the government by surrendering their firearms or their rights for increased protection because they don't trust the government to protect them. We have almost 400M guns in private hands in the US. Just banning guns or even a certain type of guns isn't going to work. The Government (Police Included) need to find a way to start restoring trust in the government. Videos of LE standing around outside a school while a active shooter is inside isn't helping to restore that trust. Until that trust is restored you are not going to get voter support for gun bans regardless of how well intentioned they are and how much data there is to support the ban.
There already _is_ voter support for many restrictions on guns. The problem is the US system is not designed to pay attention to what voters want.
What are the "many restrictions"? Beyond trying to ban "Assault Weapons" I haven't seen much support for going further in banning more types of guns.
This is a Gallup Poll for banning possession of handguns.
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It's sadly true that Americans don't really want additional gun control outside of universal background checks and a ban on a few types of especially crazy guns.What are the "many restrictions"? Beyond trying to ban "Assault Weapons" I haven't seen much support for going further in banning more types of guns.
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Yup these stories from the young survivors needs to be replayed by all media. It would been a little too gruesome when others said they should be showing photos of the crime scene. Sure Parkland HS student recaps were impactful. But these innocent 9-11 year olds talking, if this doesn’t convince change must happen, your shit hole country just deserves what it gets and should just cleanse the world by killing each other.Heard on the news this AM (MSNBC) some of the students covered themselves in blood of their fallen classmates and played dead to avoid getting shot. Heartbreaking.
90% of Americans back background checks for all gun sales?
In the first hours after the Las Vegas mass shooting, many leading elected officials in Wisconsin issued statements abouwww.politifact.com
It's sadly true that Americans don't really want additional gun control outside of universal background checks and a ban on a few types of especially crazy guns.
I think this thread is a good example of how people are attached to guns emotionally and refuse to accept contrary data. They think their guns make them safer and any attempt to tell them otherwise is ignored or treated with outright hostility.