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dank69

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That poll shows support for background checks. Is there support in the US for banning certain types of weapons beyond "Assault Weapons"?
I don't know, but universal background checks certainly qualify as "restrictions on guns."
 

eelw

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Repugnican’s complaining how a mask will traumatize kids. Back to the girl smearing her friends blood on herself, she was brave enough to want to tell her story, but the news anchor CNN wanted to send, John Berman (outside of Anderson cooper, can’t be considered the least bit threatening looking). She was too scare and asked to be interviewed by a female because she’s scared of males she doesn’t know. This girl won’t be messed up for the rest of her life? NAH!!!
 

dainthomas

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I don't think "ashamed" is a strong enough word. I can't come up with anything better, but I know "ashamed" doesn't cover 1/1000000th of what they should be feeling.

Seems like when your plan was to wait until some psycho uses up their ammo on ten year olds before you go in, I just don't know how someone could live with that level of shame and dishonor.
 
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TheVrolok

Lifer
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From my usual fare.

Firearms #1 killer of kids.

Obviously still "someone else's" problem. Certainly won't drive any change.

I feel like one of the gun nutters was just recently talking about how cars are more dangerous and we shouldn't be focusing on guns in this thread or another, could be wrong, can't find it.
 
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fskimospy

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I was thinking about the data yesterday you shared and the increased risk of 10xtimes in suicide if someone owns a gun. The average annual rate per 100k in the US for suicide is about 14 people per 100k. Which means the average person has about .014% of suicide. If you times by 10 that would be .14%? I think most people just don't see that increase even if 10x as a concern because the risk is still so low. Even when I agree with you that 10x is huge. I thought how many times I have driven from Southern CA to either Las Vegas, San Francisco or Phoenix. Despite the fact that I have easy access to a airport and I could make that journey by air, that it would probably be 10x to 100x safer than me driving in a car. Yet I still will drive myself the majority of the time despite that journey by car placing myself or anyone else with me at increased risk. I think overall statistically people have a hard time appreciating the data around small risks.
I agree that the risk of suicide is still small if you own a gun, but to me what that data point means is that the most commonly cited reason for gun ownership is protection. Even if the risk increase is small it doesn’t make sense to buy something for protection that makes you less safe.
 
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dank69

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I agree that the risk of suicide is still small if you own a gun, but to me what that data point means is that the most commonly cited reason for gun ownership is protection. Even if the risk increase is small it doesn’t make sense to buy something for protection that makes you less safe.
Even if you do everything right with safe storage, how many examples are there of people who had their gun taken from them and then used against them? How many examples of situations where the mere presence of a gun escalated a situation when it could have been deescalated? How many innocent bystanders shot by stray bullets? People romanticize the idea of being a hero and it very rarely works out that way.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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I agree that the risk of suicide is still small if you own a gun, but to me what that data point means is that the most commonly cited reason for gun ownership is protection. Even if the risk increase is small it doesn’t make sense to buy something for protection that makes you less safe.

Right. The statistics invalidate the main reason cited ...
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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So $3500 worth of killing power 4 days after 18th bday on credit:

Not that I'm taking the word of "PatriotsLady77" as gospel, but any 18yr old that is living under someone else's roof with a part time job would be able to come up with the $$$ for 2/3 guns and 300 or so rounds. Which is also part of the problem ...
 
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brycejones

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The total contempt the police and this state in particular has for its duties to its citizens is something I've never really experienced on this level.


Fucking depraved


I have to disagree, this response seems to be totally inline with the response to the power outages. First lie about the cause and then basically say it doesn't matter and put citizens on the hook for the costs.
 

Maxima1

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Except that's literally not what the data shows. You keep drawing conclusions and calling them reasonable when they're anything but. What you really should be saying is "this conclusion FEELS right to me." Unfortunately, though, being comfortable with a conclusion can have little correlation with it being logically sound.

You're arguing against "guns dramatically increase risk of successful suicide" by arguing "guns don't cause suicide as much as I think they should!" It's not just a strawman, it's an emotional anecdote about a strawman. I know you see those arguments as equivalent or "basically the same" but they aren't at all.

So what does the data show? Keep in mind, I decided to post because of the astounding 10x claim. The CA study I posted doesn't support that, and I can't see how anyone can get that math to work. Using these ratios below, they got 4 for all suicide cases for gun owners, but there are problems with even that ratio.

Edit: Also the 10x claim was for males, so that number here is about 3 instead of 3.6(rounded to 4).

Edit: Maybe that other study isn't that totally off from this one. I thought it might have been biased data, but looked at abstract again, and it says suicides in the home -- I read as guns in the home. So I think it's reasonable that people that don't own a gun probably kill themselves outside the home more. That probably explains why it's that high, but then that's misleading; we would want all case suicide for both groups.




Pretty obvious what's occurring if half of all suicides for the new handgun owners happen in a year of ownership when it extends out to 12 years.


Another possibility was so-called reverse causation: that many buyers were bent on suicide before they bought the gun. The findings did provide some evidence of that. In the month immediately after first-time owners obtained their weapons (California has a 10-day waiting period), the risk of shooting themselves on purpose was nearly 500 per 100,000, about 100 times higher than similar non-owners; after several years it tapered off to about twice the rate.

“We sure do see evidence that people went to get the gun because they had planned to take their own lives,” Dr. Studdert said.

 
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Brovane

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It looks like the Police thought no children were in the classroom that the gunman had locked himself in. It was a fuckup by the scene commander. What is unknown is if the information from 911 team was passed along to the scene commander about kids in the room with the suspect.

Uvalde Police Made ‘Wrong Decision’ in Waiting to Storm Shooter, Says Official

911 dispatchers received numerous calls from within the classroom, including repeated calls from a child whispering that people were dead and begging: “Please send the police now,
 

[DHT]Osiris

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We already do require a “background check” before voting. It’s called voter registration.
And outside of person to person sales, we already require a 'background check' before selling a firearm, which is done at the point of sale. Further 'background checks' for gun sales would be like further 'background checks' for voting, beyond voter registration.
 
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