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dank69

Lifer
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That red line? Roughly the dawn of mainstream internet / social media.
Many people in our society are sick.
The idea of doing this was placed in all their heads, where as it was not such a prominent reoccurring thought before.
It's a societal ill that, like a genie, cannot be put back in the bottle.
Bro. Draw a line at 1994 when assault rifles were banned. Now rationalize that away.
 

NWRMidnight

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The last few pages is talking about the inaction of the police, with some apparently trying to shift the blame onto to them for what happened. Whether they responded appropriately or not, is not the real issue. Yes, they may have saved some of the lives, but not all by running in immediately rather than waiting. They also could have added to the deaths. It's not so black and white as many think. Most of the witnesses about the police's actions are traumatized over what happened, and their account will be missing details because they will only focus on blaming the police and remember what supports them emotionally to make them justify blaming the polices actions, specially those that refuse to see that real crisis where guns is at the center of it. What I am saying is at the end of the day, they will blame the police, with the belief they could have prevented any of this from happening, ignoring the real issue that's at the center. Which is false, the police wouldn't have been able to prevent it from happening, best case is they could have reduced the death count.. or possibly the worse case, added to it.

Again, many people are looking for reactionary solutions to the problem we have. They want to blame the police or anyone who responded and didn't STOP the shooter. People like this won't see the real problem, and don't realize that we can't stop something from happening by reacting after it's already started. (you can't prevent a gunman from shooting, if he has already started shooting). Until people wake up and stop looking for ways to solve the problem by reacting to the problem AFTER it happens, we will never stop it. The only blame that can be placed on the Police is that they didn't react to "possibly" prevent some of the deaths, but they are not to blame for the gunman initiating this by shooting innocent children and adults, and they would not have prevented all the deaths. That blame goes to the people of this country (voters) and government officials they vote in who refuse to see the real problem, refuse to act, and take the appropriate required steps that will prevent such shootings from being able to take place from the start. Until that changes, We will always be reacting and chasing our tails, rather than stopping it from every taking place to begin with. History has demonstrated this to us, and it's written and stained with all the blood of those that have already lost their lives to something we have had the ability to change. But we refuse to because we are a nation that must have our guns at the cost of innocent children's lives. IT'S A COST THAT NOBODY SHOULD BE WILLING TO PAY! OUR GUNS ARE NOT WORTH OUR CHILDREN! NOTHING IS WORTH THEIR LIVES!
 
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pmv

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This is a really good overall assessment. This is concise, sober and fact based:


That's a devastating summary of events. I can't see how, in any sane civic entity, an elected governor could stay in office after that.
(Some accidental dark commentary in the usual mangled auto-subtitles referring at 13.02 to the "You've all day police department", given it took them 15 minutes to get to the scene of the massacre from just 1 mile away, implying an average speed of 4mph.)
 
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Viper1j

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Hate to disagree with the OP but this was completely comprehensible. Coming from the state that just passed laws allowing people to carry without permits or training.
Texans can now openly carry guns in public without a permit or training. Police say the new law makes it harder to do their jobs - CNN

If the Sandy Hook slaughter of 20 six and seven year old's doesn't move Republicans nothing will, except the slaughter of their own families. Remember when Ronald and Nancy Regan became gun control advocates when someone tried to kill ole' Ronnie

You won't see change, until you read about the daughter of Ted Cruz, or the grandson of Greg Abbott getting blown away in school.

Republicans love the ammosexuals, until their behavior comes home to roost.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
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Bro. Draw a line at 1994 when assault rifles were banned. Now rationalize that away.

What do YOU imagine is there?
Nothing special in that image between 1994 and 2004.
But things certainly escalate as the internet matures and Iphones drop kick sanity.

One of the issues, among countless, is the mentally ill / tormented being able to fill their own heads with reoccurring thoughts and images of mass shootings. So when they snap, they snap bad... and have a "great" idea on what to do next. The louder our media screams of it, the more common, the more reoccurring, the more it happens again and again. Effectively an instruction manual for what to do.

If you cannot see that from the same image, you have serious issues yourself. It follows the same pattern / timeline as other major societal issues. Modern communication is poison.
 
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Jaskalas

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You won't see change, until you read about the daughter of Ted Cruz, or the grandson of Greg Abbott getting blown away in school.

Republicans love the ammosexuals, until their behavior comes home to roost.

That would not change their positions one bit.
It would just confirm to them, a need to act against the "other". To label a people and demand action against "them".
They already have scapegoats, have you ever listened to a Republican speak of shootings? They'll readily tell you about it. How it's all liberals doing it.
 
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cytg111

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That would not change their positions one bit.
It would just confirm to them, a need to act against the "other". To label a people and demand action against "them".
They already have scapegoats, have you ever listened to a Republican speak of shootings? They'll readily tell you about it. How it's all liberals doing it.

Journalism. A deep dive, a sustained campaign, into what weapon companies is funneling what amounts of cash into which public officials that do their bidding. Expose the whole corrupt feedback loop that is pestering your country.
 

Exterous

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Dear god

11:30 a.m.
The teacher re-enters the school and calls 911, citing a crash and a man with a gun

12:03 p.m.
A 911 call is received from inside classroom 112

12:10 p.m.
The same 911 caller from classroom 112 calls back and says that there are multiple people dead in the classroom.

12:13 p.m.
The same 911 caller calls back again

12:16 p.m.
The same 911 caller calls back again for the fourth time, saying there are 8 to 9 students still alive.

12:19 p.m.
A new 911 caller from room 111 calls but hangs up after another student told her to end the call.

12:36 p.m.
The 911 caller from room 112 calls again for the fifth time and is told to stay on the line and be very quiet. She says that the suspect has shot the door.

12:43 p.m.
911 caller asks dispatch to please send police now.


Meanwhile, at least 19 law-enforcement officers waited in the hallway, because the commander on scene, the school district’s chief of police, believed no lives were at risk and it was better to wait until a tactical team could get keys to the classroom before entering

In a sign of the confusion on the ground, a knowledgeable law-enforcement official said Bortac agents arrived to find parents outside the school screaming at them to rush in and they were soon ready to breach the classroom where Ramos was located. But local law enforcement on the scene told them to wait, the official said.

WTF


 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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Biden, as the sitting president and defender of American children, Biden needs to get a lot tougher against the NRA lobbyist who Biden has acknowledged are the problem.
Biden should be in Uvalde today, in person, not tomorrow or next week but today while the NRA holds their little assault weapon jerk off fest.
Biden needs to draw clear distinctions. Biden needs to say on camera in front if millions of Americans:
I COME HERE TODAY TO JOIN IN SUPPORT OF THE UVALDE COMMUNITY WITH MOURNING THE VICIMS. WHILE ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY OF UVALDE, THE NRA LOBBYIST AND SENATE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE OWNED BY NRA LOBBYIST GATHER TO CELEBRATE THE DEATHS OF 19 CHILDREN AND TWO TEACHERS.

Thats it. Thats all that needs to be said by any sitting president.
To make that naked distinction is exactly what Biden needs to do. Just say it, just say the obvious out loud. Sure, it would make Sean Hannity go crazy on Fox, and NRA owned senate republicans would go absolutely nuts for sure, but America needs to hear it and Biden needs to say it out loud. After all, what else is Biden there for? To look pretty? Make some typical post tragedy bs statement the NRA can accept? Some bs statement that give NRA loving senate republicans political cover?
Biden.... Joe.... you know what needs to be said, and said during the same hour as the NRA gathers.
He will be there on the 29th which is the last day of the NRA convention
 

Atari2600

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Meanwhile, at least 19 law-enforcement officers waited in the hallway, because the commander on scene, the school district’s chief of police, believed no lives were at risk and it was better to wait until a tactical team could get keys to the classroom before entering

In a sign of the confusion on the ground, a knowledgeable law-enforcement official said Bortac agents arrived to find parents outside the school screaming at them to rush in and they were soon ready to breach the classroom where Ramos was located. But local law enforcement on the scene told them to wait, the official said.

WTF

Fuck me.

What ineptitude.

Was the commander on scene actually intellectually retarded?

Some big dopey fat fuck with a 10 gallon on his head who thought he was Wyatt Earp, but actually only got his job 'cos his first cousin (who happens to be his wife) is high up in the mayors office?
 
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TheVrolok

Lifer
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Fuck me.

What ineptitude.

Was the commander on scene actually intellectually retarded?

Some big dopey fat fuck with a 10 gallon on his head who thought he was Wyatt Earp, but actually only got his job 'cos his first cousin (who happens to be his wife) is high up in the mayors office?

He should be summarily dismissed and not receive a pension. Full stop.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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What do YOU imagine is there?
Nothing special in that image between 1994 and 2004.
But things certainly escalate as the internet matures and Iphones drop kick sanity.

One of the issues, among countless, is the mentally ill / tormented being able to fill their own heads with reoccurring thoughts and images of mass shootings. So when they snap, they snap bad... and have a "great" idea on what to do next. The louder our media screams of it, the more common, the more reoccurring, the more it happens again and again. Effectively an instruction manual for what to do.

If you cannot see that from the same image, you have serious issues yourself. It follows the same pattern / timeline as other major societal issues. Modern communication is poison.
How about this image
 
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dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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What do YOU imagine is there?
Nothing special in that image between 1994 and 2004.
But things certainly escalate as the internet matures and Iphones drop kick sanity.

One of the issues, among countless, is the mentally ill / tormented being able to fill their own heads with reoccurring thoughts and images of mass shootings. So when they snap, they snap bad... and have a "great" idea on what to do next. The louder our media screams of it, the more common, the more reoccurring, the more it happens again and again. Effectively an instruction manual for what to do.

If you cannot see that from the same image, you have serious issues yourself. It follows the same pattern / timeline as other major societal issues. Modern communication is poison.
Crime has continued to trend down despite the demon internet. If you can't see that there was a significant drop-off in mass shootings when the ban went into effect including two timespans with zero mass shootings, and a HUGE spike when the ban lapsed you are willfully deluding yourself. Of course it wouldn't stop them all. There are other measures and policies that need to be enacted as well, but it clearly helped reduce the frequency.
 
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Captante

Lifer
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I'm not convinced that owning guns makes me less safe.


Do you believe that owning a car makes you more likely to die in a car-accident? Or that owning a dog makes the odds of being bitten substantially higher?

If so then I have some bad (and blatantly obvious) news.


The numbers don't back your opinion up here in any way.... really all you do is make it difficult to take anything you post seriously with this sort of comment.

That what you were going for?
 
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Meghan54

Lifer
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those guys were all sworn to storm. 19 of them in that hall for ~45 minutes, bona fide cowards who refused to do their job. For shame, and Abbott and Cruz, McGraw, all those cowboy hat wearing posers, and trump headlining at the NRA convention in Houston and his lies and bullshit? Gag me with a spoon.

Close.....I believe it's "Gag me with a fork." Kinda works better that way.
 
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Captante

Lifer
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those guys were all sworn to storm. 19 of them in that hall for ~45 minutes, bona fide cowards who refused to do their job. For shame, and Abbott and Cruz, McGraw, all those cowboy hat wearing posers, and trump headlining at the NRA convention in Houston and his lies and bullshit? Gag me with a spoon.

Absolutely..... the REAL color of Tex-a$$ cops shining through.

Never mind red, white and blue.... they're STRAIGHT-UP YELLOW.

 
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Right now is the perfect snapshot of 21st Century America. Cops being chickenshit motherfuckers while trying to intimidate people into blaming others, gun fetishizers openly mocking people like parents that just had their kids slaughtered while championing traitors, both declaring how its the fault of teachers and doors, right wing Supreme Court doing shadow docket decrees that will strip rights from people while ordaining religious zealots with the right to undermine everyone elses' rights (all tax exempt of course), while the wealthiest work to undermine it all just for the sake of becoming even more rich.

And average Americans can't be bothered to give a shit. Oh look a new Star Wars!

Crime has continued to trend down despite the demon internet. If you can't see that there was a significant drop-off in mass shootings when the ban went into effect including two timespans with zero mass shootings, and a HUGE spike when the ban lapsed you are willfully deluding yourself. Of course it wouldn't stop them all. There are other measures and policies that need to be enacted as well, but it clearly helped reduce the frequency.

The dumbest part of that dishonest motherfucker's argument is he's been absolutionist against doing anything about the internet and it fueling such. So if he genuinely believes its the internet to blame, he's also on the record repeatedly saying that we absolutely should not do anything about such because letting social media companies do something about the rampant toxicity online is infringing the rights of these psychopaths to keep perpetuating the cycle of hate and violence. He's literally claimed it makes liberals as bad as the Nazis and has been the main crux of his argument that liberals are just as bad as conservatives. Conservatives are literally fucking murdering actual children, bragging about enabling that, and if ever called on it immediately go to threatening people, and liberals are just saying they want healthcare for people, less racism and bigotry, want to stop children being murdered in school by violent assholes, and in his mind they're equally bad.

Just another full of shit brainfucked asshole that has chosen to be ignorant because otherwise he'd have to actually face reality and maybe do something about it versus whinging about people being mean to him online (which to him is the real problem with the world, and yet he's fine with women/non-whites/LGBTQ+ persons and others receiving barrage of rape and death threats merely for wanting less white male power fantasy nonsense dictating their freedom).
 
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dlerious

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An AR-15 is much too large for a child to safely handle. That's why we have submachine guns! We have guns for every size child imaginable.
Don't know about that. Autumn handles an AR-18 pretty good.

There's also Shyanne Roberts and Addysson “Addy” Soltau .
 

Captante

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Better cops ought to be the first recourse, surely?


Logically I agree .... however with the quality of the "policing" we get in America these days (unless you're a white male) I'm not sure it could get all that much worse short of open warfare.

The theory has always been that the military isn't trained to deal with people like cops are BUT that smacks of nonsense to me.... police training seems to = indoctrination into a culture of hate and violence more then anything else in this crap country.
 
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Wreckem

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I’m not sure why people are surprised this isn’t the first time police have done this during a school shooting and won’t be the last.

They police are shielded when they fuck up. Be it they improperly kill someone or their inaction gets a ton of people killed. It will only be a few days before the Republican horde of people start with their nonsense about people not back the blue wanting to defund the police.
 
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Captante

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The last few pages is talking about the inaction of the police, with some apparently trying to shift the blame onto to them for what happened. Whether they responded appropriately or not, is not the real issue. Yes, they may have saved some of the lives, but not all by running in immediately rather than waiting. They also could have added to the deaths. It's not so black and white as many think. Most of the witnesses about the police's actions are traumatized over what happened, and their account will be missing details because they will only focus on blaming the police and remember what supports them emotionally to make them justify blaming the polices actions, specially those that refuse to see that real crisis where guns is at the center of it. What I am saying is at the end of the day, they will blame the police, with the belief they could have prevented any of this from happening, ignoring the real issue that's at the center. Which is false, the police wouldn't have been able to prevent it from happening, best case is they could have reduced the death count.. or possibly the worse case, added to it.

Again, many people are looking for reactionary solutions to the problem we have. They want to blame the police or anyone who responded and didn't STOP the shooter. People like this won't see the real problem, and don't realize that we can't stop something from happening by reacting after it's already started. (you can't prevent a gunman from shooting, if he has already started shooting). Until people wake up and stop looking for ways to solve the problem by reacting to the problem AFTER it happens, we will never stop it. The only blame that can be placed on the Police is that they didn't react to "possibly" prevent some of the deaths, but they are not to blame for the gunman initiating this by shooting innocent children and adults, and they would not have prevented all the deaths. That blame goes to the people of this country (voters) and government officials they vote in who refuse to see the real problem, refuse to act, and take the appropriate required steps that will prevent such shootings from being able to take place from the start. Until that changes, We will always be reacting and chasing our tails, rather than stopping it from every taking place to begin with. History has demonstrated this to us, and it's written and stained with all the blood of those that have already lost their lives to something we have had the ability to change. But we refuse to because we are a nation that must have our guns at the cost of innocent children's lives. IT'S A COST THAT NOBODY SHOULD BE WILLING TO PAY! OUR GUNS ARE NOT WORTH OUR CHILDREN! NOTHING IS WORTH THEIR LIVES!


SO .... You're defending those gutless weasels standing around with their thumbs up their rear-ends because they "MIGHT GET SHOT" (?!?) while a nut-case with a rifle shoots more kids in a school?

You're correct in that the cops didn't create this situation but if they could have saved ONE SINGLE KIDS LIFE (and I'd say the odds of this were good) it would have rated every one of those worthless piece of crap cops being shot storming the classroom far as I'm concerned.

Obviously out of control guns freaking EVERYWHERE is the crux of the problem but those PATHETIC excuses for "men" who protected themselves while kids died are complete wussies.
 
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Wreckem

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As someone said earlier, police are actually not obligated to protect you, and that was upheld in a court case

They cannot be fired or charge per a long history of judicial rulings.

Its like people forget the police inaction of the Stoneman Douglas shooting. Those cops got their jobs back.

I do blame the cops in both cases because if they did their fucking jobs the number of people dead would have been a lot fewer.
 
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