I met a young guy who was enrolled at the local police academy. I talked to him later and he told me he quit because the trainer instructed them to be brutal and demeaning, e.g. grab a black male by their dreadlocks. This was Oakland, CA I'd say 6-10 years ago. And this is a relatively liberal area. My congress rep is Barbara Lee, the only rep in congress to vote against the war in Afghanistan. Imagine how much worse it is outside liberal bastions like the Bay Area!Logically I agree .... however with the quality of the "policing" we get in America these days (unless you're a white male) I'm not sure it could get all that much worse short of open warfare.
The theory has always been that the military isn't trained to deal with people like cops are BUT that smacks of nonsense to me.... police training seems to = indoctrination into a culture of hate and violence more then anything else in this crap country.
Timeline right now has 2-3 cops entering the building 2 minutes after the killer. I have to think that police aggressively going after the killer from the start would have saved many kids from being shot in the first place, plus very likely several if not many who were shot and died could have been saved with first aid, etc.SO .... You're defending those gutless weasels standing around with their thumbs up their rear-ends because they "MIGHT GET SHOT" (?!?) while a nut-case with a rifle shoots more kids in a school?
You're correct in that the cops didn't create this situation but if they could have saved ONE SINGLE KIDS LIFE (and I'd say the odds of this were good) it would have rated every one of those worthless piece of crap cops being shot storming the classroom far as I'm concerned.
Obviously out of control guns freaking EVERYWHERE is the crux of the problem but those PATHETIC excuses for "men" who protected themselves while kids died are complete wussies.
Timeline right now has 2-3 cops entering the building 2 minutes after the killer. I have to think that police aggressively going after the killer from the start would have saved many kids.
Yes, I think the obvious lesson in all this is Texans should vote all of their Republicans out of office ASAP.Impossible to say .... however its very likely the nut-case would have just found another way like waiting for recess or maybe dismissal.
Lets try to avoid applying Captain Hindsight's "flawless" logic.
I feel absolutely terrible for the kids who died in that school, but far as I'm concerned EVERY Texan eligible to vote that supports Republicans has blood directly on their hands.
The "Great" state of Texas..... what a freaking joke.
He should be summarily dismissed and not receive a pension. Full stop.
Sorry to burst your delusions but there are tens of thousands of schools in the US that aren’t able to properly be secured.
Go read my edit, I am not rationalizing the cops actions.. You are falling for exactly what I am trying to point out.. That the focus is now off of the actual problem and now on the actions of the police, which is exactly what those who don't want to admit the real problem want. They now have you and everyone else focused on the failures of the police, which isn't the real issue at the center of the problem this country is facing.However by rationalizing the cops actions you do appear to be justifying them which I simply can't condone.
Hell I would have needed to be held back from going after the shooter myself even if I was unarmed, even if all I accomplished was to give "it" something to worry about besides which kid to shoot next.
PLUS considering how quickly ONE UNTRAINED KID with a rifle was dispatched by the federal officers who DID finally go in after him I'm not sure how you figure these bastards rate being defended.
EVERY SINGLE COP who did nothing while kids died should be fired AND prosecuted.
Go read my edit, I am not rationalizing the cops actions.. You are falling for exactly what I am trying to point out.. That the focus is now off of the actual problem and now on the actions of the police, which is exactly what those who don't want to admit the real problem want. They now have you and everyone else focused on the failures of the police, which isn't the real issue at the center of the problem this country is facing.
It's always easy to pick through the aftermath and pick out all the failures.. It's even easier to ignore the real issue when you have something else to blame.
How many would have been saved if the door he entered through wasn't left propped open?
Yet, you are focused on what the police did, to the point you incorrectly accused me of defending their actions, rather that focused on discussing the actual problem. And because you are focused on the police's actions, or rather inaction, you missed the very point I was making in my responses which is why you took offense to what I was said, because that is where your anger and focus is. Are you that angry about the actual problem?Incorrect.... I believe too many guns are the main problem. (which I've posted many times)
However the irony of these coward-cops in TEXAS the freaking GUN CAPITOL of America in REALITY being worthless is inescapable.
Also, with all due respect, you can also stop with the bold type, because it does nothing for getting your point across and just makes you look like an ass, as I do know how to read.
Grow up!You make me want to do it more just to bother you!
Guns a blazing wouldn’t have been the right solution either. I get what youre saying that no extra risk than they were currently at, but collateral damage is huge concern with the good guy with a gun by arming teachers. As much current outrage there is on the cops, imagine if their stray bullets added to the fatality list. But in the press conference yesterday, that guy was very specific on number of shell casings were found and where they came from. No friendly fire in this caseThe FIRST (or at worst the second) bunch of cops on-scene should have gone right after the KID with a rifle and blown him away.
NO WAY that would have put those poor children at MORE risk then they already were.
Grow up!
Guns a blazing wouldn’t have been the right solution either. I get what youre saying that no extra risk than they were currently at, but collateral damage is huge concern with the good guy with a gun by arming teachers. As much current outrage there is on the cops, imagine if their stray bullets added to the fatality list. But in the press conference yesterday, that guy was very specific on number of shell casings were found and where they came from. No friendly fire in this case
I didn't insult you.. go read what I said again.What fun would that be?
(I'm not the one who started it with the insults)
I didn't insult you.. go read what I said again.
A lesson I fear they won't learn. That is the only way we will fix the gun problem in this country. Not only Texas but the rest of the countryYes, I think the obvious lesson in all this is Texans should vote all of their Republicans out of office ASAP.
Obviously not, because you still believe I insulted you..No thanks.
Twice was quite enough.
Yup up to the independent vote. Will they be selfish and consider their pocket book is more important than this senseless violence.A lesson I fear they won't learn. That is the only way we will fix the gun problem in this country. Not only Texas but the rest of the country
Obviously not, because you still believe I insulted you..