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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Uuugh, because maybe they are not really pro life??

They aren’t really churches either. They are indoctrination centers (not all churches of course) and they are a front for grifters who have no problems taking advantage of people who just want to do right.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Steve Kerr before his playoff game sums it up



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They showed about 30% of that on NBC broadcast TV News in the Bay Area tonight. Steve's father was assassinated, shot. It's personal with him.

Malcolm Hooper Kerr was a university professor specializing in the Middle East and the Arab world. An American citizen, he was born, raised, and died in Beirut, Lebanon. He served as president of the American University of Beirut until he was killed by gunmen in 1984. Wikipedia
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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I guess parents are still waiting to hear if their kid was killed or injured. I was thinking that seems typical since dead kids can't talk and don't have ID on them as a rule. It must take painfully long to id a dead kid, a dead victim.

THEN IT HIT ME....
I know what those damn senate republicans will do next. I know what Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz will offer up in addressing gun violence. All that the assholes will do is to propose a law requiring all schools K thru 12 to require all students wear wrist bands and ankle bands with names of the student so that the dead can be more easily identified after a mass shooting.
THIS is all those fucking senate republicans will be offering to do for gun law.
THAT'S IT FOLKS!!!

Ted Cruz will think it better to id a dead body after the fact rather than impose gun laws to protect a kid before the fact.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE VOTERS???
To keep electing these assholes back into congress?
Do 80%, 90% of Americans REALLY want common sense gun laws? I really doubt it.... Probably more like oh say 30% if you go by who the voters keep reelecting into office. It cant possibly be 80%. No way.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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I guess parents are still waiting to hear if their kid was killed or injured. I was thinking that seems typical since dead kids can't talk and don't have ID on them as a rule. It must take painfully long to id a dead kid, a dead victim.

THEN IT HIT ME....
I know what those damn senate republicans will do next. I know what Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz will offer up in addressing gun violence. All that the assholes will do is to propose a law requiring all schools K thru 12 to require all students wear wrist bands and ankle bands with names of the student so that the dead can be more easily identified after a mass shooting.
THIS is all those fucking senate republicans will be offering to do for gun law.
THAT'S IT FOLKS!!!

Ted Cruz will think it better to id a dead body after the fact rather than impose gun laws to protect a kid before the fact.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE VOTERS???
To keep electing these assholes back into congress?
Do 80%, 90% of Americans REALLY want common sense gun laws? I really doubt it.... Probably more like oh say 30% if you go by who the voters keep reelecting into office. It cant possibly be 80%. No way.
Most Republican policies are not wanted by a majority of Americans. Why are you surprised by this?
 
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Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Nothing is going to be done, and if we as a country really wanted to do something how would be go about it? The cat has been out of the bag for decades. There are just too many guns, and we have too many soft targets. We would have to give up our rights for a chance at some kind of protection fro the government. And, that could lead to an erosion on our rights. The mental health issues in the country are off the radar. Seriously, have you noticed the attitude of many of the people today? Angry. Hateful. Depressed. Its like a plague. We don't have the resources to combat that. Its going to get worse as the economy gets bad. As more people fall into poverty, I expect more of this stuff to take place.

Its a sad day in America, and actions like this school shooting has become normalized, which is the first step to a crumbling immoral society where people have lost hope.

Yep. Nothing will be done. As soon as the news was breaking, you have political partisans running to the familiar corners, arguing the same policies and fights that went nowhere last time.

Meanwhile society is getting meaner, politics getting nastier, and there is an epidemic of lunatic young male mass murderers killing family members and then turning on the softest, most cherished targets they can find.

No one in power is actually trying to solve the problem.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Yep. Nothing will be done. As soon as the news was breaking, you have political partisans running to the familiar corners, arguing the same policies and fights that went nowhere last time.

Meanwhile society is getting meaner, politics getting nastier, and there is an epidemic of lunatic young male mass murderers killing family members and then turning on the softest, most cherished targets they can find.

No one in power is actually trying to solve the problem.
One side is trying to do something. The other side who's strategy of doing nothing is the one working.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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No you're not. I am pro second amendment but we need more restrictions and way deeper background checks.
By gun nutter I mean those that want guns of all types without restrictions.

I would add considering raising age limits on purchase of more powerful arms.

Current laws say 18yos are not mentality mature enough to: drink alcohol, smoke tobacco, or buy handguns... but they can get semi auto rifles without restriction.

Many of these shootings are by males in this age range, and this needs to be reconsidered.

Allow hunting suitable firearms, eg bolt actions, non-semi shotguns, but not heavier items.

Democrats won't go anywhere with this, so they need to compromise and allow some Republican solutions to the problem.

Schools need to be hardened. It's insane we wasted hundreds of billions on PPP and other govt waste, but a school like this is defenseless, not access controlled, and no safety officers available.

Ds will seriously need to consider allowing R areas to allow teachers to arm themselves as well.

Just blaming guns and pushing only gun control onto 100M law abiding citizens (many who own to protect themselves and their family) will be guaranteed failure.
 
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Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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One side is trying to do something. The other side who's strategy of doing nothing is the one working.

No they are not. They may think they are, but they don't actually listen to the thoughts of the other side and try for common ground.

Both FOX and MSNBC have engaged in name calling all day, just like every other time.

Gun advocates don't want kids shot either, but they do strongly disagree on the solution.

Time to stop name calling, jumping in front of the camera for speeches, and actually listen and try to compromise.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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Yep. Nothing will be done. As soon as the news was breaking, you have political partisans running to the familiar corners, arguing the same policies and fights that went nowhere last time.

Meanwhile society is getting meaner, politics getting nastier, and there is an epidemic of lunatic young male mass murderers killing family members and then turning on the softest, most cherished targets they can find.

No one in power is actually trying to solve the problem.


It's clearly in the hands of the Repubs and their stonewalling of any and all attempts at trying to hold gun owners more responsible for the control and use of their firearms. So long as the Repub leadership is able to exploit to their advantage the subject of our gov't providing better protections for all of the possible victims that will be shot and are being shot at this very moment then I'm compelled to agree with you in every way.

The Repub leadership is using gun rights issues to keep their herd of radicalized gun enthusiasts corralled and voting "correctly". The remainder of the party is going along for the ride on this out of party loyalty while totally ignoring the killings of our children and the absolute fact that more of these killings will occur. These tragedies simply don't factor into their decision making processes as to what's the right thing to do about minimizing these constant mass murdering of innocents, including their own.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Jun 18, 2001
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I would add considering raising age limits on purchase of more powerful arms.

Current laws say 18yos are not mentality mature enough to: drink alcohol, smoke tobacco, or buy handguns... but they can get semi auto rifles without restriction.

Many of these shootings are by males in this age range, and this needs to be reconsidered.

Allow hunting suitable firearms, eg bolt actions, non-semi shotguns, but not heavier items.

Democrats won't go anywhere with this, so they need to compromise and allow some Republican solutions to the problem.

Schools need to be hardened. It's insane we wasted hundreds of billions on PPP and other govt waste, but a school like this is defenseless, not access controlled, and no safety officers available.

Ds will seriously need to consider allowing R areas to allow teachers to arm themselves as well.

Just blaming guns and pushing only gun control onto 100M law abiding citizens (many who own to protect themselves and their family) will be guaranteed failure.
I am sorry, but no. Republican's solution is to eliminate restrictions when possible. Arming teacher will only garantee the teacher is shot and killed first. Being armed doesn't mean anything because by the time they realize they are under attack by an active shooters the teacher will already be dead along with many innocent children without even reaching for their gun. Most shootings happen in a matter of seconds, not minutes. The only way a teacher, or even an armed guard on each classroom could react fast enough if they have their firearm out and ready every minute of the day.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
Oct 18, 2009
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As a short response to this specific instance, yet again all this is, is a symptom of the collapse of human society - and specifically the US as a relatively "free" society that has been arming up for going on 250 years now.

Actually, as a society, we haven't been arming up for the last 250 years. Prior to the 1970's, I think you'll find zero Supreme Court decisions advocating unlimited gun ownership...you know, that whole "militia" thing in the 2nd amendment. Hell, prior to Reagan, the Repub. party supported gun control as evidenced by the 1972 Republican party platform supporting gun control.

And the Supreme Court only ruled in 2008 that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual's right to own a gun in Heller. Prior to that ruling, the Supreme Court had ruled otherwise....every single time the issue presented itself. 2008. Wonder what happened?

And with St. Reagan, remember---gun rights are for whites. Such as it was, such as it is.
 
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trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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I guess what really gets to me is how so many gun owners consider themselves a part of "The Well Regulated Militia" of which guarantees them the right to bear arms yet they don't want to be regulated in any way, shape or form.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Republicans: This is a mental health crisis not a gun crisis. Democrats should take that seriously.

Democrats: Then will you spend more on healthcare?

Republicans: No, we will spend much less and make sure the poor can’t get any because to do otherwise is communism.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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I guess what really gets to me is how so many gun owners consider themselves a part of "The Well Regulated Militia" of which guarantees them the right to bear arms yet they don't want to be regulated in any way, shape or form.
They will argue the proper interpretation of "well-regulated" is "well-trained".
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Ds will seriously need to consider allowing R areas to allow teachers to arm themselves as well.
The Tops store had an armed security guard. Do we really want to turn everyplace into an armed fortress?

Is that the answer, more guns? There is a reason every country isn't allowed to posses a nuclear weapon. Same logic.

When do we learn lessons from the past? Texas went the opposite direction. Open carry without training or a permit needs to be repealed.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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No they are not. They may think they are, but they don't actually listen to the thoughts of the other side and try for common ground.

Both FOX and MSNBC have engaged in name calling all day, just like every other time.

Gun advocates don't want kids shot either, but they do strongly disagree on the solution.

Time to stop name calling, jumping in front of the camera for speeches, and actually listen and try to compromise.
Really, not listening? How many times have you heard the right claim...

it's mental illness
it's mental illness

Yet they are against red flag laws. Also ask yourself name one proposal by them that would separate the mentally incapable from owning a gun? I know the answer to that. They have NEVER.
 
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