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This state is so utterly in the bag to those kind of interests I'm half surprised every elementary school doesn't have a "patriotic" gun shaped natural gas flare installed out front.

From a person I know who worked on Cornyn's campaign - The NRA want's to help facilitate guaranteed gun sales contracts to Texas public school systems. It's about money. It always fucking has been.
 

HomerJS

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How about we ban all gun advertising? That doesn't violate 2A and there is a precedent. We banned cigarette advertising while smoking remained legal.

Also ban using guns as a prop for political advertising. You can talk about your support for 2A but you can't pose with every member of your family holding an AR-15.

Stop the glorification
 

K1052

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From a person I know who worked on Cornyn's campaign - The NRA want's to help facilitate guaranteed gun sales contracts to Texas public school systems. It's about money. It always fucking has been.

This is not the least bit surprising.
 

K1052

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How about we ban all gun advertising? That doesn't violate 2A and there is a precedent. We banned cigarette advertising while smoking remained legal.

Also ban using guns as a prop for political advertising. You can talk about your support for 2A but you can't pose with every member of your family holding an AR-15.

Stop the glorification

Lol we're about to get political ads with the candidate stalking down a school hallway with their AR and three pistols rolling up on a bad guy of indeterminate but definitely ethnic origin. This is going to get way way worse not better.
 

sactoking

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How about we ban all gun advertising? That doesn't violate 2A and there is a precedent. We banned cigarette advertising while smoking remained legal.

Also ban using guns as a prop for political advertising. You can talk about your support for 2A but you can't pose with every member of your family holding an AR-15.

Stop the glorification
But then how are we going to get group photos posed so perfectly for photoshopping in dildos?
 
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dlerious

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I hadn't heard of this before, it's apparently pretty effective:

I think that's closer to what they call "yellow flag" (see Maine). The difference between red flag and yellow flag from my searching appears to be law enforcement only for yellow flag. From conversations I've heard, yellow flag laws seem likely as a Republican compromise.
 

Zorba

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According to CNN, the Tulsa Medical Center shooting was with an "AR 15 style weapon" purchased the same day as the shooting. Getting to be a real thing.
Yeah, this is why just blocking new sells/transfers would go along way in stopping these shootings. So many shootings happen with recently purchased guns.
 

Amol S.

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How about we ban all gun advertising? That doesn't violate 2A and there is a precedent. We banned cigarette advertising while smoking remained legal.

Also ban using guns as a prop for political advertising. You can talk about your support for 2A but you can't pose with every member of your family holding an AR-15.

Stop the glorification
NRA is going to cry first amendment, if the gun manufacturerers are not able to advertise.
 

FlawleZ

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I don't want kids to feel like they are in a prison.

I don't want parents to be driven further away from the school.

I don't want to spend tens of billions of dollars on security theater so the ammosexuals can claim they did something.

And I fundamentally understand, it won't fucking work. Even if you maybe every school a literal prison, there are still 50 kids on a school bus, etc.

The real way to make schools safer is to make it harder for crazy people, especially young crazy people, to buy guns.
Not sure why you're so one dimensional in your thought process. Hardening of schools can mean lots of things.
 
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Zorba

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Not sure why you're so one dimensional in your thought process. Hardening of schools can mean lots of things.
Cool, why don't you sure with us how you are you going to harden 100,000 schools in the US, while not making them into a prison and massively reduce school shootings. While also not impacting parent's ability to interact with the school.

BTW: I was in school when Columbine happened. I went the high school Time Magazine said was the most likely school in the nation for the next mass shooting. I saw the fences go up, we all had to wear name tags. Basically impossible for parents to participate with the school. Close campus, no leaving for lunch (This was actually because of a mass shooting at a Wendy's killing a bunch of HS kids at lunch well before Columbine). None of this would've even slowed down a mass shooter. It was all expensive theater that made going to school there suck.
 

FlawleZ

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So can gun control. But gun nutters just fixate on that being "GOVERNMENT GOING TO TAKE OUR GUNS!!! MY SECOND AMENDMENT!!!"
Sure it can. The majority of the pro 2A crowd is aware that once you start some limitations, it only starts the inevitable which is a steep slippery slope.
I see many of you have a hard time understanding the need for self defense and the ability to protect one's self and their home. Most Pro 2A people just want the ability to defend themselves or their family.
 
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Pens1566

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Sure it can. The majority of the pro 2A crowd is aware that once you start some limitations, it only starts the inevitable which is a steep slippery slope.
I see many of you have a hard time understanding the need for self defense and the ability to protect one's self and their home. Most Pro 2A people just want the ability to defend themselves or their family.

There have been federal restrictions on various levels for a while now. There has been no gun grab or slippery slope.

Also, stats clearly show that possession actually increases your chances of dying by gun, but whatever.
 
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Commodus

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Not sure why you're so one dimensional in your thought process. Hardening of schools can mean lots of things.

Never mind the specific points — hardening schools is a distraction, an attempt to avoid dealing with the real problem. Like Pens pointed out... if tightening security was the overall solution for mass shootings, you'd need extensive security measures in virtually every public space and private business.

It's almost amusing to watch these diversions. 2A absolutists know more gun control is the solution, that all the evidence supports this solution, but they dance around it due to a combination of stubborn pride and reluctance to give up their toys. Like a homeopathy devotee refusing to admit they need a prescription to get better.

Oh, and to touch on your latest statement: no, a "steep slippery slope" is not inevitable. There are countries that allow or guarantee personal firearms that still have more sensible gun control measures. A slippery slope argument is considered a basic logical fallacy in debates; you're operating on fear, not facts.
 

sactoking

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"We need to keep gun laws the way they are so that way in the statistically unlikely chance that I will need to use a gun to protect myself I have the ability to to attempt to do so with a less than 100% chance of actually being able to do so.

The price for this is a 100% chance that people will die every day due to gun laws being kept the way they are, but so long as the people dying aren't me or mine the miniscule chance of a positive gun outcome for me vastly outweighs the guaranteed chance of a negative gun outcome for someone else. "
 

eelw

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I see many of you have a hard time understanding the need for self defense and the ability to protect one's self and their home. Most Pro 2A people just want the ability to defend themselves or their family.
Canadian. So we don’t fear for home invasions. And while car jackings have gone up, just being aware at a traffic light, not scared of our shadow either
 
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HomerJS

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NRA is going to cry first amendment, if the gun manufacturerers are not able to advertise.
Precedent has already been set with the tobacco companies. Somehow they still stay in business without advertising.

NRA can't file that suit since they are not a party in that potential suit.

When was the last time we saw a dildo commercial? We make those kind of decisions all the time.
 

HomerJS

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Sure it can. The majority of the pro 2A crowd is aware that once you start some limitations, it only starts the inevitable which is a steep slippery slope.
I see many of you have a hard time understanding the need for self defense and the ability to protect one's self and their home. Most Pro 2A people just want the ability to defend themselves or their family.
If 2A people just want to defend themselves why do they need offensive weapons and enough for an army?

Why are the majority of mass shooting committed with an AR-15 style weapon? Because it is effective in mowing down a lot of people in a short period of time. Is that the kind of weapon you need for defense?? AR-15s are offensive weapons.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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You keep beating this dead horse of discipline and decline of our youth which is just a myopic and frankly shit view. Teenage drinking continues to decline year after year. Sexual activity is declining year after year. Teen smoking is down year over year. Driving ages are getting pushed up even though teen driving deaths are down(you could argue that is working). By most statistical evidence kids are fucking puritans compared to the generations ahead of them.

We are failing *AS A SOCIETY* around failure. That's not unique to kids. Look at our adult response to school shoots. Covid deaths for the wealthiest country in the world. Lack of healthcare for the wealthiest country in the world. Homelessness. College costs. Those aren't discipline problems. I'll let you work through the why's on your own there.
A systemic failure of civilization to stay civil. I'll let everyone come to their own conclusions about the results of such recklessness.
 

ivwshane

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Sure it can. The majority of the pro 2A crowd is aware that once you start some limitations, it only starts the inevitable which is a steep slippery slope.
I see many of you have a hard time understanding the need for self defense and the ability to protect one's self and their home. Most Pro 2A people just want the ability to defend themselves or their family.

You’d have to be the biggest pussy on the planet if you need an AR style weapon to feel safe.

Are you a pussy?
 
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Pens1566

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Precedent has already been set with the tobacco companies. Somehow they still stay in business without advertising.

NRA can't file that suit since they are not a party in that potential suit.

When was the last time we saw a dildo commercial? We make those kind of decisions all the time.

There are other products that also have advertising rules (alcohol, etc.)
 
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