Incomprehensible mass shooting happens again

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Zorba

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Sure, are we going to allow people to sue other companies when their products are used to harm someone? If someone gets drunk and plows into people, can they sue the car manufacturer? How about suing a knife manufacturer if I'm stabbed by someone using one of their knives?
Other companies can be and are sued all the time when their products harm others.

Let me know of any car companies that advertise to drunks, though.
 

pmv

Lifer
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actually, we do.

bars and bartenders can be held liable for letting someone drive drunk.

product liability lawsuits happen all the time. jarts (lawn darts) are one of many examples of games that were removed due to product liability injury lawsuits.



i know VW was required to offer buybacks to owners with affected vehicles, though the owners weren't required to accept the offer IIRC (not sure what other compensation would happen in lieu of that)


I haven't paid much attention (not having such a vehicle) but I keep encountering adverts from law firms offering to help owners of those vehicles claim compensation. Keep thinking shouldn't they be paying _me_ the compensation, for having to breath in the excessive emissions these things put out?

Seems it involves multiple car manufacturers:

 

blackangst1

Lifer
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Go back and look at the successful suit by Sandy Hook families against Remington. In that vein.

Why do gun makers get special protections other companies don't??

Thery dont. They are subject to prosecution under manufacture defect like any other company.
 
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Lanyap

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Thats kind of the quote. The actual quote is
“Allow due process so no one’s rights are trampled, but the ability to go to court, obtain an order and then collect not only the firearms but any weapons,” Pence said.
“Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court,” Trump responded.




Or how about the context.
President Trump on Wednesday voiced support for confiscating guns from certain individuals deemed to be dangerous, even if it violates due process rights.

“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida … to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.

Trump was responding to comments from Vice President Pence that families and local law enforcement should have more tools to report potentially dangerous individuals with weapons. {mosads}

“Allow due process so no one’s rights are trampled, but the ability to go to court, obtain an order and then collect not only the firearms but any weapons,” Pence said.

“Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court,” Trump responded.

Trump met with lawmakers on Wednesday to discuss gun laws and school safety in the aftermath of a Feb. 14 shooting at a high school in Parkland, Fla., that left 17 people dead.

The suspected shooter, Nikolas Cruz, was able to legally purchase the AR-15 reportedly used in the shooting despite numerous calls to law enforcement about his unstable behavior.
 
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Zorba

Lifer
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Saw a picture of the locked door in the medical office in Tulsa... Guess what? It didn't work.
 
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Commodus

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Bill Maher is far from perfect, but he and his guests did have a point with his show this weekend: how messed up is it that you can buy a semi-auto rifle at 18, but can't legally drink for another three years? For that matter, it's ridiculous that you'll have an easier time committing a mass shooting than you will renting a car.


The sad thing is that many gun zealots wouldn't respond by asking to raise the minimum age for gun ownership... they'd push to lower the drinking age.
 
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That's because it wasn't the right "kind" of locked door, silly. It has to be a special ballistic grade armored door manufactured by S&W/Remington/Glock ...

I give it about a month before we get spiked "tactical" doors. And then another year before "assault doors" ("The best defense is a good offense")
 
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Bill Maher is far from perfect, but he and his guests did have a point with his show this weekend: how messed up is it that you can buy a semi-auto rifle at 18, but can't legally drink for another three years? For that matter, it's ridiculous that you'll have an easier time committing a mass shooting than you will renting a car.


The sad thing is that many gun zealots wouldn't respond by asking to raise the minimum age for gun ownership... they'd push to lower the drinking age.

Shut the fuck up with stupid and pointless comparisons that just let right wingers deflect from the actual topic.
 
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Also notable, right wingers so mad about them being used as safe spaces that they've decided to make sure schools aren't safe.
 

Commodus

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Shut the fuck up with stupid and pointless comparisons that just let right wingers deflect from the actual topic.

Like Zorba said... I wouldn't call this a deflection, as it forces gun zealots to actually deal with the need for better gun control.

Also, can you please not hurl insults just because someone don't fit your narrow acceptable criteria for the conversation? I can understand being angry at the right-wingers opposed to gun control, but this feels more like outrage for its own sake.
 

kage69

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Saw a picture of the locked door in the medical office in Tulsa... Guess what? It didn't work.

The power difference between 5.56mm carbines and handguns cannot be understated, it's why I'm generally ok with rimfire getting fewer restrictions. Let people plink and handle varmints. But once you exceed the ~2000fps threshold you are talking armor piercing potential regardless of caliber, and of course, more grievous wounds. I'm not saying lower velocity projectiles wouldn't clear the door or kill people, just that high velocity stuff removes hope of barriers and armor helping for those downrange. You can stop .22LR with a single thick hardcover textbook fwiw.
 
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kage69

Lifer
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Pretty much my experience, especially since Uvalde. I want to talk about why incels with brains still developing and little to no mental health support should be able to have battle rifles, and all I get is semantics bullshit or something equally dumb, like it's the schools fault for not being ready for it, for not being "hardened." Is it just me, or does that sound a lot like 'she wouldn't have been raped if she had been wearing proper clothes'? If our kids being forced to wear a mask during a pandemic makes you quake in rage over getting them to "live in fear" Where TF are you assholes when they are actually living in fear? Just say you love guns more than kids and be done with it, save us all some time.
 
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Pens1566

Lifer
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Pretty much my experience since Uvalde. I want to talk about why incels with brains still developing and little to no mental health support should be able to have battle rifles, and all I get is semantics bullshit or something equally dumb, like it's the schools fault for not being ready for it, for not being "hardened." Is it just me, or does that sound a lot like 'she wouldn't have been raped if she had been wearing proper clothes'?

I'd also accept "It's a magazine, not a clip" as well.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
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The power difference between 5.56mm carbines and handguns cannot be understated, it's why I'm generally ok with rimfire getting fewer restrictions. Let people plink and handle varmints. But once you exceed the ~2000fps threshold you are talking armor piercing potential regardless of caliber, and of course, more grievous wounds. I'm not saying lower velocity projectiles wouldn't clear the door or kill people, just that high velocity stuff removes hope of barriers and armor helping for those downrange. You can stop .22LR with a single thick hardcover textbook fwiw.
Great, so now McGraw-Hill has an incentive to make their textbooks even bigger and more expensive! /S
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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Name another company that got a special law created to exempt them from being sued. Why was the law created?

The federal government has granted vaccine manufacturers such as Pfizer and Moderna immunity from liability if something goes unintentionally wrong with their COVID-19 shots.
 

gothuevos

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Pretty much my experience since Uvalde. I want to talk about why incels with brains still developing and little to no mental health support should be able to have battle rifles, and all I get is semantics bullshit or something equally dumb, like it's the schools fault for not being ready for it, for not being "hardened." Is it just me, or does that sound a lot like 'she wouldn't have been raped if she had been wearing proper clothes'? If our kids being forced to wear a mask during a pandemic makes you quake in rage over getting them to "live in fear" WTF are you assholes when they are actually living in fear? Just say you love guns more than kids and be done with it, save us all some time.

Hey it's a Republic, not a Democracy.
 
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Pens1566

Lifer
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The federal government has granted vaccine manufacturers such as Pfizer and Moderna immunity from liability if something goes unintentionally wrong with their COVID-19 shots.

It's a program that predates the covid vaccines. They were added on as they were approved. The companies still pay into the .gov plan though.
 
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