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Kaido

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No - those things suck too.
The whole point I'm trying to make is that we shouldn't need ANY of these types of things in our schools and if we have to deploy them, it's a complete and utter failure.

My nephews have to do active shooter drills in school. All we had to worry about was fire drills growing up. What a garbage reality to live with.
 

Paratus

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FYI-Most guns that you can legally own are semi-automatic. The only guns that aren't are pump action shotguns, lever action rifles, bolt action rifles and revolvers (although, technically they are semi-automatic in that for every pull of the trigger it fires a round with no other action necessary).
I’ve thought for awhile now that the only guns that should remain widely available are the ones you list above. Those cover most hunting, sport, and self defense needs.

Semi-autos should be treated like full autos via an updated FOPA type law.
 

fskimospy

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Unfortunately considering the reality we currently face I don't know what alternative we have to "securing/fortifying" our schools. It works to keep the vast majority of weapons off planes and out of courthouses so logic dictates it would work in schools too.

Controlled-access through a metal-detector operated by a cop (and the like) might do some psychological harm to kids but it's nothing compared to being shot.

In some ways I miss when my daughters were little BUT on the other hand I genuinely feel bad for parents in 2022 America.
Sadly metal detectors are not so great at keeping weapons off planes.


From my understanding they have gotten a bit better but this is supposedly trained staff with tons of equipment expressly dedicated to that in a highly controlled environment. I think our hopes for the efficacy of metal detectors in schools should have that in mind.
 
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SMOGZINN

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I don't think that is true. I think the only adults he killed were 2 teachers.
You are right, the armed guards were not killed, but they were shot.
The point is that there were already 'gud guy with guns' at the school. It didn't help.
 
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VRAMdemon

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Which is why this has to become the leading issue in November. Are people that greedy that inflation will still be the main talking point?

Well ... The sad reality is running on any type of gun control is a losing elections proposition for the Democrats. Gun control is a losing issue. If you run on gun control, you greatly increase your chances of losing the election. Then, hey, you can’t actually enact your gun control policies because you lost.

How are you going to oppose the Republicans 21st century fascist agenda when you lose the election, and just like the various states where they’ve won a majority and then changed the rules to keep themselves in permanent power. If they do that at the national level. You have to win the election by running on issues that are going to win the election. Gun control is not that issue.

However, we are in the middle of a potential attempt of a fascist takeover. That truly is an existential threat. A crisis that is coming to a head. If that is not solved, the consequences are severe and likely permanent. And as a world, we are facing an existential crisis for the human race on the issue of climate change, and again, if the republicans take permanent control of the US, the world is permanently fucked on that one.

Republican strategists are desperately wishing for the Democrats to make gun control the issue of the 2022 elections. They would fucking love it, absolutely jump for joy

We’re in the middle of a republican coup. The republicans have unleashed unprecedented levels of misinformation and disinformation. They are actively rolling back constitutional/civil rights. They are putting people in place on election boards and other critical infrastructure so that their attempt at extra-legal election fuckery is better supported this time around. They are trying their best to forever enshrine themselves in power, and then everything is fucked. Gun laws get more permissive. Climate change gets off the table. Civil rights for women and minorities get rolled back. Wealth inequality accelerates. Pretty much everything bad in this country gets worse.

This last paragraph may not go over well here - But school shootings are not going to collapse the United States. It is not even remotely in the category of existential threat. But we are facing real existential threats. And if you make the political fight over gun control - one of the most divisive issues you can have that loses elections over and over again - instead of being about our last chance to defeat a fascist takeover - you will lose any shot we have at keeping any pretense of a democracy
 

Homerboy

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You are right, the armed guards were not killed, but they were shot.
The point is that there were already 'gud guy with guns' at the school. It didn't help.

their argument will be "but think if they weren't there... so many more would have been killed"
Which I guess is technically a possibly valid argument. But that's not how they originally sell "armed teachers" and "cops in school". Their idea/sales pitch is that if there are armed adults, then these events wouldn't happen. Not if there are armed adults, when these events happen, less people will get killed
 
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TheVrolok

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I’ve thought for awhile now that the only guns that should remain widely available are the ones you list above. Those cover most hunting, sport, and self defense needs.

Semi-autos should be treated like full autos via an updated FOPA type law.
Have said the same for a long long time. One of the many seemingly obvious compromises in my mind.
 
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Fenixgoon

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I’ve thought for awhile now that the only guns that should remain widely available are the ones you list above. Those cover most hunting, sport, and self defense needs.

Semi-autos should be treated like full autos via an updated FOPA type law.
This has been my take for the last few years as well.
Semi-autos have no place in society (as someone who owns one)
 
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dank69

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I wonder if anyone has checked with Alex yet to see if this was staged as well?
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
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their argument will be "but think if they weren't there... so many more would have been killed"
Which I guess is technically a possibly valid argument. But that's not how they originally sell "armed teachers" and "cops in school". Their idea/sales pitch is that if there are armed adults, then these events wouldn't happen. Not if there are armed adults, when these events happen, less people will get killed
They may make that argument, but it is not a valid one. In this case the armed people didn't even seem to slow him down.

A few more armed people in schools might stop a few gunmen, but it will also create more by having guns readily available when people have emotional reactions. It is questionable if it will stop more then it creates.
 
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eelw

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And if you make the political fight over gun control - one of the most divisive issues you can have that loses elections over and over again - instead of being about our last chance to defeat a fascist takeover - you will lose any shot we have at keeping any pretense of a democracy
But if 90% of people support gun regulations it’s time to exclusively focus on this. And if they lose, just shows the who is the shit hole country
 

kage69

Lifer
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Will Fox interview the mayor of Uvalde and cut the feed when gun control is brought up? Like with the mayor of Buffalo? Stayed tuned!
 

Kaido

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Jaskalas

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Imagine this. Prison like structure. Security checkpoint entrances. And facial ID system that, if you're not registered and recognized by the system... immediate automatic lockdown.
#Merica!!!
 

Homerboy

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Jesus Christ... it sounds like he barricaded himself in one classroom and all the fatalities took place in that room. Fucking horrific.
 
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Brovane

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Brovane

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Here's some irony:

The NRA Is Banning Guns for Trump's Appearance at Its Upcoming Convention

"The organization that lobbies for laws that make it easy for anyone to carry a gun does not want anyone carrying a gun to their own event, oddly."

Secret Service made that request not the NRA.

You can have your gun at other events during the three-day convention; but if you attend the forum with Trump, NRA’s Executive Vice President, NRA-ILA’s Executive Director, and “our nation’s top Second Amendment supporters,” per NRA’s event announcement, then you will be prohibited from exercising your God-given, Second Amendment right to bear arms.

Per the U.S. SECRET SERVICE, firearms, firearm accessories, knives, and other items WILL NOT BE PERMITTED in the General Assembly Hall.
 
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Zorba

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I would add considering raising age limits on purchase of more powerful arms.

Current laws say 18yos are not mentality mature enough to: drink alcohol, smoke tobacco, or buy handguns... but they can get semi auto rifles without restriction.

Many of these shootings are by males in this age range, and this needs to be reconsidered.

Allow hunting suitable firearms, eg bolt actions, non-semi shotguns, but not heavier items.

Democrats won't go anywhere with this, so they need to compromise and allow some Republican solutions to the problem.

Schools need to be hardened. It's insane we wasted hundreds of billions on PPP and other govt waste, but a school like this is defenseless, not access controlled, and no safety officers available.

Ds will seriously need to consider allowing R areas to allow teachers to arm themselves as well.

Just blaming guns and pushing only gun control onto 100M law abiding citizens (many who own to protect themselves and their family) will be guaranteed failure.
Let's spend billions "hardening" the schools, which will do nothing except make kids feel like they are in a prison and further isolate parents from schooling.
 
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repoman0

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This has been my take for the last few years as well.
Semi-autos have no place in society (as someone who owns one)

Seems like a perfectly reasonable compromise between second amendment rights and public safety, so it will obviously be a non-starter in the modern USA
 

thilanliyan

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Let's spend billions "hardening" the schools, which will do nothing except make kids feel like they are in a prison and further isolate parents from schooling.
Solution is obviously more guns. Never mind many other countries do it differently and don't have mass shootings every week. They're probably soshulists...
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
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From what I read, no armed security guards(good guy's with guns) were on campus. What happened is the Police Officers that responded, a at least one was wounded by the gunman.

https://www.npr.org/live-updates/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-05-25-2022

The suspect did crash near a ditch nearby the school. That's where he exited his vehicle with what I believe was a rifle and that's when he attempted to enter the school where he was engaged by law enforcement.

The school also had a 'school resource officer' that was shot when he engaged the shooter. 'School resource officer' is a armed guard as created by the Texas School Marshal Program to arm some members of school faculty.
 
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