Incomprehensible mass shooting happens again

[kt]

Republicans have settled on a solution:

Makes sense. No schools means no more school shootings.

 

[dank69]

Makes sense. No schools means no more school shootings.

Lots more Republican voters, too. It's a win win!

 

[HomerJS]

Republicans won't do anything on guns but pivot back to that non-existent CRT because that's the big risk to kids

 

[purbeast0]

I haven't seen this discussed anywhere but am genuinely wondering this...

Why is full body armor available to the public? What use does that serve to a random joe schmoe (other than the obvious from these shootings)?

 

[Leeea]

‘Please Send the Police Now.’ Students Begged for Help as Cops Waited Outside Classroom

As many as 19 law enforcement officers waited in the hallway outside because they believed the gunman was no longer a threat, authorities said.

time.com

Robb Elementary School serves about 500 students in second through fourth grade and enrolls mostly Latino students.

I see another agent of the republican party has committed another terrorist act. And once again, nobody is going to do anything about right wing terrorism.

Because republicans are always delighted when non-white people get murdered.

 

[TheVrolok]

I haven't seen this discussed anywhere but am genuinely wondering this...

Why is full body armor available to the public? What use does that serve to a random joe schmoe (other than the obvious from these shootings)?

Well, at this point, maybe limit the damage received from all the mass shootings?

 

[gothuevos]

Would a background check have even flagged this guy (relax, I'm not against it). Does it even pick up on things like social media posts?

 

[fskimospy]

Well, at least point, maybe limit the damage received from all the mass shootings?

Yeah, if we are considering banning the defense against guns as opposed to the guns themselves we have lost the plot.

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

Would a background check have even flagged this guy (relax, I'm not against it). Does it even pick up on things like social media posts?

I don't know if a background check would have stopped this guy, but no, social media posts are not included in existing background checks unless those posts were previously brought to the attention of LE.

 

[fskimospy]

Would a background check have even flagged this guy (relax, I'm not against it). Does it even pick up on things like social media posts?

Definitely not, it only searches for criminal convictions and things like that. UBC will not come even close to solving the problem, it’s just better than our fake background check system now.

The main problem is that at least for now the real answer, banning guns, is a nonstarter so you take what you can get.

 

[Brovane]

Would a background check have even flagged this guy (relax, I'm not against it). Does it even pick up on things like social media posts?

Nope, it wouldn't have flagged him. The only way would have been if LE had picked up on the Social Media and then put him on a Psych hold.

However who knows what the gun laws in Texas are, if they even exist.

 

[HomerJS]

Would a background check have even flagged this guy (relax, I'm not against it). Does it even pick up on things like social media posts?

Not sure yet but I know know one thing to a high degree of confidence, a short interview by a trained psychologist would have revealed he wasn't mentally capable to own a gun. We need that as part of the background check

 

[soulcougher73]

Nope, it wouldn't have flagged him. The only way would have been if LE had picked up on the Social Media and then put him on a Psych hold.

However who knows what the gun laws in Texas are, if they even exist.

I think when a white baby is born in TX you are automatically issued an AR-15 by the state?

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

I think when a white baby is born in TX you are automatically issued an AR-15 by the state?

An AR-15 is much too large for a child to safely handle. That's why we have submachine guns! We have guns for every size child imaginable.

 

[dank69]

Definitely not, it only searches for criminal convictions and things like that. UBC will not come even close to solving the problem, it’s just better than our fake background check system now.

The main problem is that at least for now the real answer, banning guns, is a nonstarter so you take what you can get.

Or... just RAISE THE AGE to legally own firearms to 25. Adults who aid someone under 25 to access firearms are fully responsible for any harm they cause.

 

[NWRMidnight]

No they are not. They may think they are, but they don't actually listen to the thoughts of the other side and try for common ground.

Both FOX and MSNBC have engaged in name calling all day, just like every other time.

Gun advocates don't want kids shot either, but they do strongly disagree on the solution.

Time to stop name calling, jumping in front of the camera for speeches, and actually listen and try to compromise.

How do you compromise when one group refuses to do what is needed? (That would be the Republican's incase you don't realize it)

It's almost as if the Republican's (those in office who have the power to make changes) consider mass shootings, specially those that include children, a sport. Which explains why they are pushing to make abortion illegal, so they have a steady supply to replace the children as they are killed, so they can keep the sport going. That is a very disturbing, and appalling thought.. but with the Republican's continual inaction and constant downplaying of such events, with their constant deflection away from the gun crisis we have in this country, it's almost impossible to not take it into consideration that they really do see it as a sport.

 

[purbeast0]

- Raise age to purchase guns to 25 years old.
- Mandatory wait period of 30 days.

This could be done basically overnight and no one can claim it messes with their 2A rights that were created 200 years ago.

You can't even rent a car or drink alcohol but can buy a gun. Makes no sense.

SOMETHING needs to be done to get the ball rolling.

 

[Juiblex]

Or... just RAISE THE AGE to legally own firearms to 25. Adults who aid someone under 25 to access firearms are fully responsible for any harm they cause.

I'm sure this has been the plan. Since Biden mentioned Gun Control a few weeks ago (or was it a week ago) it seems we've had several shootings all involving 18 year olds. I'd hate to think there is a conspiracy going on, but it should make you wonder...

Unfortunately, people will still kill others when a society has been as fucked up as ours has been. More background checks? When will this solve anything? We've already been doing that, and guess what. We have just as many deaths today as before. Someone will buy a gun for another, wipe the serial number, and give it out as a gift... (See the hood for an example) Or there will just be more robberies/burglaries to obtain them illegally. You know, since criminals don't really abide by the law... Putting in more laws isn't necessarily going to fix the problem.

Give people a reason not to kill others (and themselves) might be a better direction. All I see is a culture of death. Every single "rap" song is about "putting a cap in their ass", and every TV show has someone being killed by some psychotic method... Let's not talk about movies. What was the last movie you seen that didn't include someone dying?

But who knows... I'm not a democratic "expert" on this matter. I'm guess those experts would just say "Be gay, because its white straight males who do this."

 

[JulesMaximus]

I’ve thought for awhile now that the only guns that should remain widely available are the ones you list above. Those cover most hunting, sport, and self defense needs.

Semi-autos should be treated like full autos via an updated FOPA type law.

Tell you what, if the government will give me $10k per gun to give them up I will give up most of my guns and only keep a few that fall into the hunting, sport and self-defense category.

 

[dank69]

"How could this happen?" say people who made it possible.

 

[JulesMaximus]

"How could this happen?" say people who made it possible.

This is what happens when you pander to the gun lobby. The blood of these children is on Greg Abbott's hands.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Pretty sure the Texan response will be mandatory firearms training for teachers, principals and school administrators--and incentives for them to carry on school grounds.

- You know what? I support that. At this point, I support us doing LITERALLY ANYTHING to try and solve this problem.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the answer all along was a good guy with a gun and introducing more guns into a school won't result in an increase in accidental shootings of students and staff or any of the other bad stuff we logically think would occur.

Maybe it will do what we all thought it will do, and THEN we can FUCKING FINALLY move on to additional liabilities, restrictions, certifications of gun ownership.

President Biden needs to go in front of congress, look squarely at the Republican side of the aisle, and say "Republicans, put your name on a legislative solution to school shootings and I will sign it". And then actually do that.

ANYTHING.

 

[Brovane]

- Raise age to purchase guns to 25 years old.
- Mandatory wait period of 30 days.

This could be done basically overnight and no one can claim it messes with their 2A rights that were created 200 years ago.

You can't even rent a car or drink alcohol but can buy a gun. Makes no sense.

SOMETHING needs to be done to get the ball rolling.

Recent court decision in California. From the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Never underestimate the ability of gun groups to use the 2A.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/11/1098432386/california-21-gun-sales-ban-unconstitutional-court-says

A U.S. appeals court ruled Wednesday that California's ban on the sale of semiautomatic weapons to adults under 21 is unconstitutional.

In a 2-1 ruling, a panel of the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said Wednesday the law violates the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms and a San Diego judge should have blocked what it called "an almost total ban on semiautomatic centerfire rifles" for young adults. "America would not exist without the heroism of the young adults who fought and died in our revolutionary army," Judge Ryan Nelson wrote. "Today we reaffirm that our Constitution still protects the right that enabled their sacrifice: the right of young adults to keep and bear arms."

 

[eelw]

Give people a reason not to kill others (and themselves) might be a better direction. All I see is a culture of death. Every single "rap" song is about "putting a cap in their ass", and every TV show has someone being killed by some psychotic method... Let's not talk about movies. What was the last movie you seen that didn't include someone dying?

Umm Canada has identical cultures as the US when it comes to entertainment. At least other countries has some diversity than Canada which is the little brother to the US. Do we have the same gun violence? Try again gun nutter.

 

[vi edit]

Gun violence is just like homelessness, drug addiction, medical costs and a litany of other societal woes. It's not one single thing that drives it. It's dozens of factors that compound it.
- Bullying
- Access to guns
- Gun culture
- Lack of mental heath support
- Information bubbles that people live in and froth up their worst fears/desires
- Shameful rhetoric from our leaders that drives hatred and division
- Just overall lack of empathy which is systemic at this point