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spacejamz

Lifer
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When every adult and child over age seven is walking around open carrying, locked and loaded at all times, finally our great nation will be safe from the spectre of gun violence.

Considering the demographics of who does the majority of the mass shootings in this country despite being a significant minority of the US population, maybe more gang control instead of gun control would have more of an impact on the gun violence numbers.

The incident yesterday at the Super Bowl rally is looking to be gang related as several headlines now read it was a 'dispute between several parties'.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Considering the demographics of who does the majority of the mass shootings in this country despite being a significant minority of the US population, maybe more gang control instead of gun control would have more of an impact on the gun violence numbers.

The incident yesterday at the Super Bowl rally is looking to be gang related as several headlines now read it was a 'dispute between several parties'.

You want less gang violence, tackle our problem causing drug laws. You want less drastic killings by distraught teenagers, remove guns from their lives.
 

APU_Fusion

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When every adult and child over age seven is walking around open carrying, locked and loaded at all times, finally our great nation will be safe from the spectre of gun violence.
7? Way too old. In utero to protect against abortions is the only answer. This way from conception to rapture we are all safe and secure.
 

Moonbeam

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What kills people is experiencing the feeling that how worthless he or she feels is somebody else's fault that the person pulling the trigger believes they are justified. There man be also the occasional accident with a supposedly unloaded gun. Wince you are neither aware of your own self hate nor how it works in people, it is natural for you to blame the implement. Your fear of inner awareness that keeps you a thousand miles from knowing what you feel and the near universal commonness of those just like you means that no understanding of the real issues or how to really fix them will occur. You don't know it but you would rather everybody die rather than you face yourself. You have no idea how deeply your feelings are buried. We are why guns kill. Humanity is asleep killing each other because of nightmares. Self awareness is hard. You will never look within because you always see the solution as being out there. It is not out there. You are dreaming. You have the brains to see. You just have no experience with seeing how much you don't want to.
 
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fskimospy

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What kills people is experiencing the feeling that how worthless he or she feels is somebody else's fault that the person pulling the trigger believes they are justified. There man be also the occasional accident with a supposedly unloaded gun. Wince you are neither aware of your own self hate nor how it works in people, it is natural for you to blame the implement. Your fear of inner awareness that keeps you a thousand miles from knowing what you feel and the near universal commonness of those just like you means that no understanding of the real issues or how to really fix them will occur. You don't know it but you would rather everybody die rather than you face yourself. You have no idea how deeply your feelings are buried. We are why guns kill. Humanity is asleep killing each other because of nightmares. Self awareness is hard. You will never look within because you always see the solution as being out there. It is not out there. You are dreaming. You have the brains to see. You just have no experience with seeing how much you don't want to.
Nah - we just can’t have a parade.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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Nah - we just can’t have a parade.
Right, and we are the reason, not guns. Self hate is nest shitting. “No parade for you because I was crucified.” We will see to that.
And poverty which is why they're slinging drugs in the first place.
It is not poverty itself. Many joyous, life loving people can be poor. It is the poverty of dissatisfaction, of feeling victimized, of feeling robed and cheated, of having lost one’s self respect. It is the poverty of self hate that creates the lack you refer to.

The delusion that self worth requires ownership of things is where the various religious practices of abstinence and self denial have their roots.

In order to sell you shit, I first need to make you feel worthless without it. Then you are mine.

But you can’t have my enlightenment, my inner joy, the infinite light of being with God, you fucking scum ball.

Now now, just letting you know how you may react if you get it in your head I have something I could use to claim my superiority over you, you poor thing. Not to worry, I got nutten.
 
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spacejamz

Lifer
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You want less gang violence, tackle our problem causing drug laws. You want less drastic killings by distraught teenagers, remove guns from their lives.

Can you provide the stats on the number of homicides of distraught teenagers vs the numbers of gang violence homicides?

Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, Houston and other major cities in the US are waiting...
 

Moonbeam

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Sorry - once we end mental illness then we can have parades again.
In order to even conceive of that as a possibility you have first to have some some inner awareness of that on a personal level. You stand in denial of that fact. Thus the ridicule. The last thing you want by way of confirmation that paradise is your birthright is evidence of that fact.
You are both the problem and the point of cure. You don’t bring paradise to the world. You become aware that you are and have always been in it. You see that or you do not.

All I am doing is pointing it out. I just know one thing less than you do. I lack the belief that the cure is out there. I suggest only you consider the possibility of not believing.

You can’t create paradise. You can return there. Mental illness is blindness to that. That realization is called by many Awakening.
 
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spacejamz

Lifer
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Until America wants to accept the fact that the majority of all mass shootings are gang related and committed by 13 % of the US population with hand guns and not assault rifles, gun violence will not change in this country. We are already numb to the senseless shootings that occur every weekend in Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, etc (and again by just 13% of the population)...maybe the definition of a mass killing should be adjusted? right now, both school shootings and drive by/gang shooting are all lumped together. Wonder what would happen if these stats were separated?

The media only sensationalizes the KC Superbowl rally, Uvalde hoping to stir that pot and brainwash the population into thinking that gun violence is mostly AR-15 shootings at schools and movie theaters, but those shootings are only a fraction of the gun violence that occurs in the US (again, what would happen if these numbers were separated?) The majority of gun violence sensationalized by the mainstream media is actually done with handguns and are black on black shootings but all we hear is assault rifles (no mention of handguns) used in school shootings. New gun laws are not going to affect gang members.

The mainstream media tries to project that today's astronomical gun violence numbers are a result of school shootings with AR15 assault rifles while the truth is that majority of gun violence is committed by gang members with hand guns. And yet when you read the comments on Yahoo or wherever about gun violence, liberals blame the NRA and republicans even thought the majority of the shootings are done by African Americans (who are most likely not NRA members or Republicans).

and anyone here can correct me if I am wrong, but if the KC shooters were white, there would be at least 10-20 pages of how white shooters are the main cause of gun violence in this country, but the way things look now, since the KC rally is probably gang related, this story will drop off in the next few days...and if that were the case, their mug shots have been plastered all over the news. I saw several shots of one of the 'suspects' in a hoodie yesterday on X, but strangely, as of today no pictures of him are being circulated on mainstream media.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Can you provide the stats on the number of homicides of distraught teenagers vs the numbers of gang violence homicides?

Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, Houston and other major cities in the US are waiting...

Why? They’re different causes, imo. Besides, if you’re worried about quantity of deaths total, then suicide takes the cake hands down over anything else. So again, removing guns would reduce deaths drastically.

Not to mention that guns have become the leading cause of child deaths in the last few years. This isn’t “think of the children” info, we’ve had decades of school shootings to use for that, this is just another way guns are increasingly a net negative in a gun loving society.


Seems to be that these wildly different scenarios were discussing all have one thing in common: access to guns.
 
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brycejones

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Until America wants to accept the fact that the majority of all mass shootings are gang related and committed by 13 % of the US population with hand guns and not assault rifles, gun violence will not change in this country. We are already numb to the senseless shootings that occur every weekend in Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, etc (and again by just 13% of the population)...maybe the definition of a mass killing should be adjusted? right now, both school shootings and drive by/gang shooting are all lumped together. Wonder what would happen if these stats were separated?

The media only sensationalizes the KC Superbowl rally, Uvalde hoping to stir that pot and brainwash the population into thinking that gun violence is mostly AR-15 shootings at schools and movie theaters, but those shootings are only a fraction of the gun violence that occurs in the US (again, what would happen if these numbers were separated?) The majority of gun violence sensationalized by the mainstream media is actually done with handguns and are black on black shootings but all we hear is assault rifles (no mention of handguns) used in school shootings. New gun laws are not going to affect gang members.

The mainstream media tries to project that today's astronomical gun violence numbers are a result of school shootings with AR15 assault rifles while the truth is that majority of gun violence is committed by gang members with hand guns. And yet when you read the comments on Yahoo or wherever about gun violence, liberals blame the NRA and republicans even thought the majority of the shootings are done by African Americans (who are most likely not NRA members or Republicans).

and anyone here can correct me if I am wrong, but if the KC shooters were white, there would be at least 10-20 pages of how white shooters are the main cause of gun violence in this country, but the way things look now, since the KC rally is probably gang related, this story will drop off in the next few days...and if that were the case, their mug shots have been plastered all over the news. I saw several shots of one of the 'suspects' in a hoodie yesterday on X, but strangely, as of today no pictures of him are being circulated on mainstream media.
We have so much gun violence and suicides from guns because we have so many fucking guns in circulation in this country. Full stop.

Guns are THE source of the problem.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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Until America wants to accept the fact that the majority of all mass shootings are gang related and committed by 13 % of the US population with hand guns and not assault rifles, gun violence will not change in this country. We are already numb to the senseless shootings that occur every weekend in Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, etc (and again by just 13% of the population)...maybe the definition of a mass killing should be adjusted? right now, both school shootings and drive by/gang shooting are all lumped together. Wonder what would happen if these stats were separated?

The media only sensationalizes the KC Superbowl rally, Uvalde hoping to stir that pot and brainwash the population into thinking that gun violence is mostly AR-15 shootings at schools and movie theaters, but those shootings are only a fraction of the gun violence that occurs in the US (again, what would happen if these numbers were separated?) The majority of gun violence sensationalized by the mainstream media is actually done with handguns and are black on black shootings but all we hear is assault rifles (no mention of handguns) used in school shootings. New gun laws are not going to affect gang members.

The mainstream media tries to project that today's astronomical gun violence numbers are a result of school shootings with AR15 assault rifles while the truth is that majority of gun violence is committed by gang members with hand guns. And yet when you read the comments on Yahoo or wherever about gun violence, liberals blame the NRA and republicans even thought the majority of the shootings are done by African Americans (who are most likely not NRA members or Republicans).

and anyone here can correct me if I am wrong, but if the KC shooters were white, there would be at least 10-20 pages of how white shooters are the main cause of gun violence in this country, but the way things look now, since the KC rally is probably gang related, this story will drop off in the next few days...and if that were the case, their mug shots have been plastered all over the news. I saw several shots of one of the 'suspects' in a hoodie yesterday on X, but strangely, as of today no pictures of him are being circulated on mainstream media.

Every country has poor people, every country has mental illness, and every country (as far as I can see) has it's discriminated-against and historically-disadvantaged ethnic minorities. But those things only affect the distribution of gun deaths in countries that also have widespread availability of guns.

The racism involved in oppressing a group for centuries, then claiming the condition of that group is somehow nothing to do with you, and arguing that the stats related to them should somehow be separated from those for the country as a whole , is kind-of off-the-scale. It's like arguing everyone in your country is wealthy, as long as you exclude the working class. It's only those pesky proletarians who bring the stats down.
 

eelw

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Until America wants to accept the fact that the majority of all mass shootings are gang related and committed by 13 % of the US population with hand guns and not assault rifles, gun violence will not change in this country. We are already numb to the senseless shootings that occur every weekend in Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, etc (and again by just 13% of the population)...maybe the definition of a mass killing should be adjusted? right now, both school shootings and drive by/gang shooting are all lumped together. Wonder what would happen if these stats were separated?

The media only sensationalizes the KC Superbowl rally, Uvalde hoping to stir that pot and brainwash the population into thinking that gun violence is mostly AR-15 shootings at schools and movie theaters, but those shootings are only a fraction of the gun violence that occurs in the US (again, what would happen if these numbers were separated?) The majority of gun violence sensationalized by the mainstream media is actually done with handguns and are black on black shootings but all we hear is assault rifles (no mention of handguns) used in school shootings. New gun laws are not going to affect gang members.

The mainstream media tries to project that today's astronomical gun violence numbers are a result of school shootings with AR15 assault rifles while the truth is that majority of gun violence is committed by gang members with hand guns. And yet when you read the comments on Yahoo or wherever about gun violence, liberals blame the NRA and republicans even thought the majority of the shootings are done by African Americans (who are most likely not NRA members or Republicans).

and anyone here can correct me if I am wrong, but if the KC shooters were white, there would be at least 10-20 pages of how white shooters are the main cause of gun violence in this country, but the way things look now, since the KC rally is probably gang related, this story will drop off in the next few days...and if that were the case, their mug shots have been plastered all over the news. I saw several shots of one of the 'suspects' in a hoodie yesterday on X, but strangely, as of today no pictures of him are being circulated on mainstream media.
Yes true school shootings do represent a small portion of the gun issue. But as someone who lives outside of ‘MURICA!!!! It’s insane you gun nutters aren’t willing to save just a single child’s life than sacrifice your metal penis. Selfish the lot of you.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Every country has poor people, every country has mental illness, and every country (as far as I can see) has it's discriminated-against and historically-disadvantaged ethnic minorities. But those things only affect the distribution of gun deaths in countries that also have widespread availability of guns.

The racism involved in oppressing a group for centuries, then claiming the condition of that group is somehow nothing to do with you, and arguing that the stats related to them should somehow be separated from those for the country as a whole , is kind-of off-the-scale. It's like arguing everyone in your country is wealthy, as long as you exclude the working class. It's only those pesky proletarians who bring the stats down.
I agree. It’s always a little puzzling to me how people will hold up numbers that our society and legal system have created, and somehow try to avoid our own culpability in creating those numbers….using these numbers to justify a system that created the numbers is just out there
 
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Moonbeam

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We live in a country that has allowed its citizens the right to own guns as a matter of self defense based on the will to survive. This creates a problem. The more violence that manifests in the country the greater the numbers of gun sales. The greater the perception of threat the greater the focus on how to stay alive. Recently the largest number of buyers of guns are minorities and women. One of the fears driving them is the racial and sexual violence that makes the news. If it needs, it leads.

The more people buy and focus on guns to deal with threat and the mose psychot people become feeling threatened everywhere, the more gun deaths we have.

We can do nothing about the survival instinct. It is genetic. We can create a world where there is less fear and insecurity, where personal danger from others is rare most gun buyers will be hobbyists.
 

allisolm

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As for the Kansas superbowl celebration shooting, sadly, half of the 22 victims were children under the age of 16 and 15 of the 22 are in critical or serious condition. All because some few folks quarreled and decided that gunfire was the solution. It has GOT to stop.
 
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