Incomprehensible mass shooting happens again

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Lanyap

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PS.
Not that it's worth mentioning, but the Q's are at it again.
Straight from the mouth of my Q-niece, claiming this assault was again faked and staged, just as the Q's claim Sandy Hook was faked and staged.

The reasoning????
NO AMBULANCES WERE ON SCENE.
Where were the ambulances?
How could kids be shot if there were no ambulances called to respond?

Yes folks, THIS is the Q's response once again. Within their smutty perverted little Q-world, nothing is true. Nothing, except Donald Trump.
Everything else is faked and staged by the goberment.
In this latest case, staged because gun laws were being voted on in congress AND it is an election year.
Q's actually believe that the government, OUR GOVERNMENT, would kill children because of an election.
(no reply necessary)



You may have mentioned this before but how old is your Q-niece and what level of education did she reach?
 

Bitek

Lifer
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You are stuck in the reactionary way of thinking.. The government being there, citizens being armed won't prevent anything, as it is all reactionary, meaning they will be reacting after the fact. The only way this will stop is if we start being proactive, not reactive. Democrats are trying to be proactive, but people don't understand it as they are stuck in one way thinking, just as you are.

There is no proactive, only performative.

What law do you think Democrats are going to pass that will actually stop motivated criminals?

NYs SAFE act completely failed in Buffalo.

Cops stood outside Columbine, guard ran away at Stoneman Douglas, and looks like waited a while before coming in here.

Not to mention the day to day criminals carjacking, burglarizing and assaulting people.

People are left to fight only with their fists until the govt maybe, finally shows up.
 

Bitek

Lifer
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In risk mitigation, you can change the frequency with which something happens or the severity of the consequence when it happens.

Right now we're doing neither. And we know exactly what we need to do to limit the severity of someone going off kilter in a very significant way - remove guns from the equation.

Agreed. How?

Solutions have to be real, not airy fairy pipe dreams.

Ds aren't living in reality with a lot of their policy ideas. Never going to pass, never going to survive courts if it did.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Seems one thing that can be done is for the parents of the victims to file a class action suit against the state and personally against Gov. Abbot for not providing adequate security at the state's schools.

As an aside, sad to say it crossed my mind that a wholly different scenario would have occurred as far as how Abbot and his cronies tightly controlled the narrative coming out of this tragedy if a mass murder of pre-teen kids occurred at an exclusive religiously affiliated private school located in a posh neighborhood.
Add to that lowering the gun buying age from 21 to 18 and the killer, you guessed it just turned 18.
 

Bitek

Lifer
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Indeed. Which is why relying on others to step up in such a situation is a gamble and really doesn’t fix the issue.

You sound like a self defense advocate with that kind of language.


 
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HomerJS

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Right. They control all three branches and couldn't even get a climate bill passed under Obama or Biden.

They still got outplayed in redistricting this cycle after 10 years notice from the last time.

What mythical party is coming to do this? Lol no.
You are wrong about #1. Dems only have control of 2 branches. 50 DOES NOT give one control of the Senate just a plurality.
 
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HomerJS

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What law do you think Democrats are going to pass that will actually stop motivated criminals?
Revoking Texas law allowing gun purchases at 18 from the original 21 would have stopped this one. At least delayed it.

Why not try proposing some of the Dem changes? We already know the result of doing nothing. We already know armed guards are not enough.
 
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sportage

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You may have mentioned this before but how old is your Q-niece and what level of education did she reach?

She's 38. Highly educated. Runs her own cleaning business. Talented. Shockingly beautiful, like a blond Julia Roberts, but as looney as Marjorie Taylor Greene. The two could be soulmates. Sad... really sad.

However, she was molested, her and her sister molested by their father when they were 12/13. She claims to have forgiven and gotten over it, but all of her relationships have been failed or strained.
I think her problem is with facing reality.

As a child you love your parents and parents are the ultimate protector. The parents can always be trusted and depended on. That is what the church preaches and the school teaches. Well... that's how it's suppose to be.
But what happens when the parents, the protector and comforter, becomes the monster?
Well... then, nothing that child has been told or brought up to believe can be trusted. As a child, she must have wondered to herself DO ALL FATHERS HAVE SEX WITH THEIR KIDS? ARE MY CLASSMATES BEING MOLESTED TOO?

I think what she went thru as a child made her question everything she was brought up to believe in, by the church and by the teachers. She doesn't know what is real and what is not real. So now, she can't believe anything the news tells her or the government tells her, she thinks they are all fake and lie.
This too.... made her ripe for the lure of a cult. She fell for Donald Trump and she is the perfect fit for the Q beliefs. Everything is a conspiracy. EVERYTHING!
But aside from all that, she functions like any normal person and is very successful in her business. Very strange indeed.

(Sorry, but you did ask. back to the regularly scheduled program)
 
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GodisanAtheist

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Take the Aurora theater shooting. Let say 1/3 are packing. Lanza starts shooting and 30 more people start shooting back. When police show up how do they ID the good guys with guns? Think less people would have died in that scenario?


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- No, I think more people would have died in that scenario, but the GOP/conservatives don't. Let them put together a bill that makes the sole recourse for a bad guy with a gun a good guy with a gun. Maybe after more "good guys with guns" shoot innocent people or get blasted by cops we can start having a real adult conversation about solving this problem.
 
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Moonbeam

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fuck

you are literally, the worst.

the worst
And here I thought I just happened to have cried myself to sleep finding out it became a word long before you did. But I am still sick about it. Somebody tore a hole in one of life's greatest pleasures, being a smug Grammar Nazi. Fortunately I was somewhat prepared for the blow because I have to live with the shame of not knowing how to spell.
 

Moonbeam

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There is no proactive, only performative.

What law do you think Democrats are going to pass that will actually stop motivated criminals?

NYs SAFE act completely failed in Buffalo.

Cops stood outside Columbine, guard ran away at Stoneman Douglas, and looks like waited a while before coming in here.

Not to mention the day to day criminals carjacking, burglarizing and assaulting people.

People are left to fight only with their fists until the govt maybe, finally shows up.
We are all guilty of murdering those kids so we have to do something................................to deflect.
 

Saylick

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So much for "All it takes to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".

Doesn't help if the good guy with a gun does fuck all. It's easy as fuck to say "Oh yeah, I would totally have stopped the active shooter if I were there on the scene", but actually doing it when duty calls is another thing entirely. Some say that the solution is to simply hire armed guards or to provide teachers with guns, but who the hell will take up that responsibility if you're not psychologically prepared to put your life on the line? Teachers don't want the burden of knowing they'll be responsible for defending kids if an active shooter shows up. That's simply not part of the job description. Similarly, if you're hired as a school security guard, you better be ready to put your life on the line and you best believe there's a good chance it will happen in your lifetime. I mean, let's think about it: the active shooter typically has nothing to lose! If it's your job to go up against someone who is already willing to die, good luck to ya because you're already at a disadvantage right there. I'd like to think that I would have the courage to go into an active shooter zone and be able to do something helpful if given the chance, but truth be told the only real motivator that counts is desperation and I sure as hell won't be feeling desperate unless it was one of my kids in there or I was already in a classroom and my life was at immediate risk. Those cops who waited out front? Yeah, there was no desperation motivating them to do something because they simply had the option to hang outside nor would it be likely one of their kids was in there.
Oh wow, I didn't even know this was actually true when I wrote the above. For fuck's sake man!

Meanwhile, after grabbing their kids, some cops just restrained parents from doing anything about it... all while just standing around in their tacticool outfits.

(Sorry if this has been posted already. Haven't had a chance to scroll through all the pages)
 

Jaskalas

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Where you are off is that they don't trust that the person will be there when they need them, and they would rather rely on themselves.

The grand bargain Democrats are always offering is that govt will be there to protect the law abiding citizen, so they don't need their own arms.

But as we just saw in Buffalo, the govt failed as they often do.

I appreciate your candor and exemplary demonstration of the point I was making.
You view a society armed to the teeth. Where the only solution is either more guns or better people.
The flaw is that humans are hardly good, and the mere existence of modern firearms means we cannot be protected.

We envision a society that is less armed, to the point where we don't need heroes to save us, real or otherwise.

I understand it is a foreign concept, but the frontier and the wilderness no longer exist. We live interdependent upon one another in ways our founding fathers never could have imagined or dreamed of. Theirs was a different world. Before industrialization and modern human civilization. Before one man with a single firearm could gun down an entire room full of children. It was impossible then, but common now. Different times have different needs, and call for different laws.

These deaths cannot be stopped until our citizens face some hard truths. It should be easy to understand that more guns = more deaths. But fear and irrationality drive people away from recognizing what must be done. What changes we require to fix what the founders could not prepare for. I would see the 2A honored through single shot bolt action rifles. Better than the founders had. The rest would be left to trained professionals who are regularly evaluated for stress and health. The national guard should probably keep armories for IF we face some untold peril or violent crisis. But our normal every day society does not deserve the onslaught that is an armed population like we face today. These children did not deserve the armed society you have mustered and would see preserved.

Understand this. Sooner or later the death toll will demand retribution. The Second Amendment only exists by our consent, and each death inches us closer to nullifying our union.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Revoking Texas law allowing gun purchases at 18 from the original 21 would have stopped this one. At least delayed it.

Why not try proposing some of the Dem changes? We already know the result of doing nothing. We already know armed guards are not enough.
Could instate remote only learning. Hard to shoot a school full of kids if they're all at home.
 

dank69

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Then don't pretend to live in the land of the possible. The lack of compromise isn't exclusive to one side of this issue, ...
Fuck off. Obama compromised with the GOP on the ACA and then they all voted no on it. 2010 for fuck's sake and here we are in 20 fucking 22 and you say this shit with a straight face. Get informed. Pay fucking attention. Until Democrats get 67 Senators, America and Americans can all continue to eat shit and die.
 

JulesMaximus

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I don't know, how about you fucking tell us since you're the asshole that fucking decided to interject your fucking concern about fucking money into this?

Fuck off. I don’t owe you any explanation. You keep ranting and raving like a spoiled child that gun owners should just give up their guns but I am not going to just hand over fifty thousand dollars worth of guns because you think it will make everyone safer.

Go fuck yourself.
 
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^^^ Ukraine Awaits Gunner!


Go today.
Tell us you're leavin' on a jet plane and wont come back again.

Boom Boom Boomer.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
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Agreed. How?

Solutions have to be real, not airy fairy pipe dreams.

Ds aren't living in reality with a lot of their policy ideas. Never going to pass, never going to survive courts if it did.
Democrats can't pass ANY policy as long as 50 republicans in the Senate are voting no on every bill.

Nearly half of Congress wants to do jack shit when it comes to actually improving people's lives.
 
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thilanliyan

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Fuck off. I don’t owe you any explanation. You keep ranting and raving like a spoiled child that gun owners should just give up their guns but I am not going to just hand over fifty thousand dollars worth of guns because you think it will make everyone safer.
Err...it's been proven over and over that less guns DOES make everyone safer. See basically every other nation on earth.

I don't disagree with you being compensated for your purchases if the gov't is requesting they be taken away.
 

fskimospy

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Depends on the person.
This is what everyone says, and they are wrong.

Owning a gun makes you less safe, people just believe the lie that it makes you more safe. If you’re a gun owner the best thing you could do to protect your family is throw it away.
 
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