It looks like the Police thought no children were in the classroom that the gunman had locked himself in. It was a fuckup by the scene commander. What is unknown is if the information from 911 team was passed along to the scene commander about kids in the room with the suspect.
Uvalde Police Made ‘Wrong Decision’ in Waiting to Storm Shooter, Says Official
911 dispatchers received numerous calls from within the classroom, including repeated calls from a child whispering that people were dead and begging: “Please send the police now,
And outside of person to person sales, we already require a 'background check' before selling a firearm, which is done at the point of sale. Further 'background checks' for gun sales would be like further 'background checks' for voting, beyond voter registration.
I'm not a gun nutter, my opinion of course, but the point was made that guns now kill more than cars do but no sane person is demanding that cars be banned even when they were responsible for more deaths. I further added that the reason for that is that everybody uses some form of vehicular transportation to get around but not everybody owns or wants to use a gun. Thus, when it comes to understanding the utility of two different things the choice as to what is useful and what is not comes down to to whom the thing is useful. I also suggest that the subjective nature of this kind of thinking leads to tyranny, the arrogant application of personal and biased opinions affecting the rest of us. It is no different then men who are opposed to abortion. They don't have to be forced to carry the baby if the right to abort is taken from women. You don't have to be a conservative to be a stinking authoritarian. If I had my way all of you anti gun authoritarians would be shot.Current Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United States | NEJM
Correspondence from The New England Journal of Medicine — Current Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United Stateswww.nejm.org
From my usual fare.
Firearms #1 killer of kids.
Obviously still "someone else's" problem. Certainly won't drive any change.
I feel like one of the gun nutters was just recently talking about how cars are more dangerous and we shouldn't be focusing on guns in this thread or another, could be wrong, can't find it.
Not to worry. We are all going to collude on the notion that it's guns that kill people not the society that produces so many young men who want to kill people, a system we would never change because of it's importance to our egos.Unfortunately anything the police say at this point is very unreliable. It's already shown that they are more than willing to lie to make themselves seem more competent and also lie to try to shed fault and blame away from themselves. The most likely cause is that the police were more afraid of getting hurt than the lives of the children that were at risk.
With Parkland, it was just one cop. He was getting ready to retire so why should he risk his life when he could be sipping wine on a beach.
That was probably his mindset. And the fact is he was probably scared.
in only 20 states can you vote on election day. Still easier to get a gunAnd outside of person to person sales, we already require a 'background check' before selling a firearm, which is done at the point of sale. Further 'background checks' for gun sales would be like further 'background checks' for voting, beyond voter registration.
Very few people are demanding that all guns be banned. Cars are far more highly restricted than firearms.I'm not a gun nutter, my opinion of course, but the point was made that guns now kill more than cars do but no sane person is demanding that cars be banned even when they were responsible for more deaths. I further added that the reason for that is that everybody uses some form of vehicular transportation to get around but not everybody owns or wants to use a gun. Thus, when it comes to understanding the utility of two different things the choice as to what is useful and what is not comes down to to whom the thing is useful. I also suggest that the subjective nature of this kind of thinking leads to tyranny, the arrogant application of personal and biased opinions affecting the rest of us. It is no different then men who are opposed to abortion. They don't have to be forced to carry the baby if the right to abort is taken from women. You don't have to be a conservative to be a stinking authoritarian. If I had my way all of you anti gun authoritarians would be shot.
AmeriKKKa doesn't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.This country needs more doses of truth about itself.
Unfortunately anything the police say at this point is very unreliable. It's already shown that they are more than willing to lie to make themselves seem more competent and also lie to try to shed fault and blame away from themselves. The most likely cause is that the police were more afraid of getting hurt than the lives of the children that were at risk.
I don't disagree. Just pointing out that we put about the same amount of effort into both. Maybe a little more on registration.We that’s a pretty big fucking hole don’t you think?
Yeah, I don't disagree.in only 20 states can you vote on election day. Still easier to get a gun
Well Toronto is far larger than what only 4 or 5 other US cities. We're not living in fear that we need a gun as protection. So it's proven fact we can live without gun for everyone than the ego driven cavemen that live to the south of us., the arrogant application of personal and biased opinions affecting the rest of us.
We are all going to collude on the notion that it's guns that kill people
I think you quoted the wrong post.Very few people are demanding that all guns be banned. Cars are far more highly restricted than firearms.
but no sane person is demanding that cars be banned even when they were responsible for more deaths. I further added that the reason for that is that everybody uses some form of vehicular transportation to get around but not everybody owns or wants to use a gun. Thus, when it comes to understanding the utility of two different things the choice as to what is useful and what is not comes down to to whom the thing is useful.
Only Blue Lives matter. Everyone else can go fuck themselves.Police are waiting in the hallway for 40 mins while a kid is chain calling 911 from inside the classroom. Fuck these police. If we ever needed proof that police are not the answer, here it is.
That’s an awful lot of apparent pride in Toronto and being something other than a US citizen to be holding your nose at ego driven cavemen. Something is certainly making you feel inferior to take pride in something so meaningless as where you live. If my culture made me an ignorant caveman as you say and I agree, yours did no differently for you.Well Toronto is far larger than what only 4 or 5 other US cities. We're not living in fear that we need a gun as protection. So it's proven fact we can live without gun for everyone than the ego driven cavemen that live to the south of us.
Current Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United States | NEJM
Correspondence from The New England Journal of Medicine — Current Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United Stateswww.nejm.org
From my usual fare.
Firearms #1 killer of kids.
Obviously still "someone else's" problem. Certainly won't drive any change.
I feel like one of the gun nutters was just recently talking about how cars are more dangerous and we shouldn't be focusing on guns in this thread or another, could be wrong, can't find it.
Remember when Republicans were able to blame the lone officer for not running into the school at Parkland. Kinda hard to do that now.Police are waiting in the hallway for 40 mins while a kid is chain calling 911 from inside the classroom. Fuck these police. If we ever needed proof that police are not the answer, here it is.
I was thinking about the data yesterday you shared and the increased risk of 10xtimes in suicide if someone owns a gun.
You are funny. First it’s guns that kill then it’s 18 year olds that are the threat. Make up your mind. When you can make sense yourself then worry about if I can.It is guns that kill people you dumb fuckknuckle.
Do you think that 18 year old whose balls had barely dropped would have been able to kill 20 kids in a school without a gun?
Go away off, get a lend of a couple of braincells from someone and put them to good use for fuck sake.
Ahem: Fuck off.You are funny. First it’s guns that kill then it’s 18 year olds that are the threat. Make up your mind. When you can make sense yourself then worry about if I can.
in only 20 states can you vote on election day. Still easier to get a gun