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Ok please, just no.

You are just an old man screaming at clouds right now.

You yell at people to re-read what you say. Well go re-read what you said. It doesn't read like you are really listening to others.
 

Kaido

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Canada is acting to freeze handgun sales and buy back assault style weapons. Australia and New Zealand have already acted. The US will remain the Wild Wild West for as long as your Republican Senators and Representatives can keep it that way. And since the shootings in Uvalde has sparked outrage that has lasted longer than three days we now have at least a few Republican Senators who are acting like they actually want to do something about it. If only our duly elected politicians' contributions could be limited to a few hundred dollars per person and completely disallow corporate donations. Think NRA and Citizens United. Who needs Congress when the Supreme Court can decide what laws we need. Requiring background checks would at least be a start. So we all already know how this will play out. A few Republicans will make a big show about how they are for gun control and always have been. Then a bill will fail by one or two votes. Yippee Ki-Yay mofos!


Edit: to clarify, funding for "and buy back assault style weapons "

The solution for funding this is simply to tell the government that Russia is invading schools:

 
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Zorba

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The solution for funding this is simply to tell the government that Russia is invading schools:

"hardening" schools is stupid. Right up there with taking horse paste instead of getting a vaccine.
 

NWRMidnight

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Ok please, just no.

You are just an old man screaming at clouds right now.

You yell at people to re-read what you say. Well go re-read what you said. It doesn't read like you are really listening to others.
HUH? I am not yelling, nor am I screaming, and I am sure as hell not an old man.. Middle aged yes.. but not an old man. I was responding to your post that had absolutely NOTHING to do with raising kids, yet you accuse me at yelling at the clouds. go figure. (you are welcome to explain how collage costs, being able to buy a house, getting a job after high school, etc. has anything to do with how kids are raised now days and how parents and society are soft on them) But rather then going back and re-reading what I said, so you can grasp what I am talking about, you post this..

It's interesting you tell me I am not listening to others, after your response that wasn't on topic, or even close to the scope of what I said or was talking about. I heard what the few people said, and they are dead set on blaming brain development.. I don't agree, unless we are devolving in the US. NOBODY, including you can answer why kids are out of control today compared to decades ago, as if it has nothing to do with why these teens are shooting up schools. Gotta be that lack of brain development causing it.. Maybe it' something in the water. It doesn't add up that it has anything to do with brain development. It is just an excuse because society doesn't want to admit that we are soft on our kids.. Trophies and ice cream is the answer.

But I will stop.. Because obviously you want me to stick with the status quo and shut up...
 
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The school/fortress thing is a distraction. Schools for the most part have been secure since the 60s. Steel doors, chains, gates, fire doors on classrooms and so on. Even if you want to increase that, what about shopping malls, grocery stores, movie theaters, outside concert areas, medical office buildings and pretty much every other public space?

Gunners don't have those answers and refuse to consider the ONE thing that will stop most of this. THAT is about as elementary as it gets.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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The school/fortress thing is a distraction. Schools for the most part have been secure since the 60s. Steel doors, chains, gates, fire doors on classrooms and so on. Even if you want to increase that, what about shopping malls, grocery stores, movie theaters, outside concert areas, medical office buildings and pretty much every other public space?

Gunners don't have those answers and refuse to consider the ONE thing that will stop most of this. THAT is about as elementary as it gets.
Yep, same argument against airplane security theater. Blow up the security lines instead of the plane.
 

dank69

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Bullshit! I am not the one not getting it. If your argument was sound, then we would be having constant chaos in Schools K-12.
You need a lot more practice with logic and reason. Access to guns does not make people go crazy more frequently. It makes it easy to carry out mass shootings when people go crazy.
 
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eelw

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Plus it's psychologically damaging to the kids and teachers...

Wonder if decision to not reopen this school will be permanent or only in the short term? But yeah the selfish gun nutters willing to let the dozens of families that lose a family member and the thousands in the community to suffer in pain rather than make a change.
 

dank69

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Wonder if decision to not reopen this school will be permanent or only in the short term? But yeah the selfish gun nutters willing to let the dozens of families that lose a family member and the thousands in the community to suffer in pain rather than make a change.
I know they demolished Sandy Hook and build a new school so I imagine they will do the same here but who knows right now.
 

Kaido

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Access to guns does not make people go crazy more frequently. It makes it easy to carry out mass shootings when people go crazy.

I think convenience plays a large role in it, because there are plenty of other ways to act maliciously:


This is an interesting podcast that talks about how red-flag laws are the key to stopping mass shootings:


I hadn't heard of this before, it's apparently pretty effective:


"This is Florida's "red flag" law in action. Passed in the wake of the horrific 2018 mass shooting at a Parkland high school, the state law provides police a path to ask a judge to temporarily bar dangerous individuals from possessing or purchasing a firearm. Since its creation, Florida judges have acted more than 8,000 times to keep guns out of the hands of people authorities deemed a risk to themselves or others, according to data maintained by the Office of the State Courts Administrator."
 
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Zorba

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Why would you not want to make schools safer? Kids should feel safe at school. That's about as elementary as it gets.
I don't want kids to feel like they are in a prison.

I don't want parents to be driven further away from the school.

I don't want to spend tens of billions of dollars on security theater so the ammosexuals can claim they did something.

And I fundamentally understand, it won't fucking work. Even if you maybe every school a literal prison, there are still 50 kids on a school bus, etc.

The real way to make schools safer is to make it harder for crazy people, especially young crazy people, to buy guns.
 

Zorba

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I know they demolished Sandy Hook and build a new school so I imagine they will do the same here but who knows right now.
I doubt a small town in Texas has the money to do that. I'm pretty sure Columbine is still open too.
 

HomerJS

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Why would you not want to make schools safer? Kids should feel safe at school. That's about as elementary as it gets.
Greg Abbott already did that. Let's say you turn all schools into armed prisons, what are you going to do with all the soft kid friendly targets around town?

Gonna imprison, playgrounds, grocery stores, day cares, toy stores, libraries, movie theaters, amusement parks, sports arenas? If you can't imprison them to the same level you just did schools will you close them all?

Did I leave anything out?
 

sactoking

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Kids can't learn from home because it harms their mental health so they HAVE to go back to school.

Kids can't wear masks at school because it inhibits their social skills and harms their mental development.

Schools must have only one entrance/exit that has metal detectors and armed guards and they must have clear backpacks and do lockdown/active shooter drills and teachers must be armed and it's totally not going to affect the kids' mental health.

These three incongruous positions are all held by the same political party.
 

brycejones

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Why would you not want to make schools safer? Kids should feel safe at school. That's about as elementary as it gets.

Yes, we make kids feel safe by having active shooter drills, giving them ballistic back packs, guns to teachers, maybe a rotating squad of national guard soldiers stationed at each school, some concertina wire fencing around the school property, maybe a sniper or two on the roof to keep an eye out for longer range threats, metal detectors and bag screening at all entrances including scanning for shoe bombs, etc.

If you object to any of these it's obvious you don't care about keeping kids safe.

There have been a few incidents with school buses so those probably need to be armored and some kind of air lock installed to keep bad actors out.
 
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Paratus

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Greg Abbott already did that. Let's say you turn all schools into armed prisons, what are you going to do with all the soft kid friendly targets around town?

Gonna imprison, playgrounds, grocery stores, day cares, toy stores, libraries, movie theaters, amusement parks, sports arenas? If you can't imprison them to the same level you just did schools will you close them all?

Did I leave anything out?
I wonder how much taxpayer money is going to subsidize private gun ownership via hardening schools.

You know just doing two active shooter drills a year probably cost around $250M a year in just teacher salary’s (~3.6M k-12 teachers, avg salary ~$30/hr, 1 hr drill X 2).
 

K1052

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I wonder how much taxpayer money is going to subsidize private gun ownership via hardening schools.

You know just doing two active shooter drills a year probably cost around $250M a year in just teacher salary’s (~3.6M k-12 teachers, avg salary ~$30/hr, 1 hr drill X 2).

This state is so utterly in the bag to those kind of interests I'm half surprised every elementary school doesn't have a "patriotic" gun shaped natural gas flare installed out front.
 
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HUH? I am not yelling, nor am I screaming, and I am sure as hell not an old man.. Middle aged yes.. but not an old man. I was responding to your post that had absolutely NOTHING to do with raising kids, yet you accuse me at yelling at the clouds. go figure. (you are welcome to explain how collage costs, being able to buy a house, getting a job after high school, etc. has anything to do with how kids are raised now days and how parents and society are soft on them) But rather then going back and re-reading what I said, so you can grasp what I am talking about, you post this..

It's interesting you tell me I am not listening to others, after your response that wasn't on topic, or even close to the scope of what I said or was talking about. I heard what the few people said, and they are dead set on blaming brain development.. I don't agree, unless we are devolving in the US. NOBODY, including you can answer why kids are out of control today compared to decades ago, as if it has nothing to do with why these teens are shooting up schools. Gotta be that lack of brain development causing it.. Maybe it' something in the water. It doesn't add up that it has anything to do with brain development. It is just an excuse because society doesn't want to admit that we are soft on our kids.. Trophies and ice cream is the answer.

But I will stop.. Because obviously you want me to stick with the status quo and shut up...

You keep beating this dead horse of discipline and decline of our youth which is just a myopic and frankly shit view. Teenage drinking continues to decline year after year. Sexual activity is declining year after year. Teen smoking is down year over year. Driving ages are getting pushed up even though teen driving deaths are down(you could argue that is working). By most statistical evidence kids are fucking puritans compared to the generations ahead of them.

We are failing *AS A SOCIETY* around failure. That's not unique to kids. Look at our adult response to school shoots. Covid deaths for the wealthiest country in the world. Lack of healthcare for the wealthiest country in the world. Homelessness. College costs. Those aren't discipline problems. I'll let you work through the why's on your own there.
 

allisolm

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According to CNN, the Tulsa Medical Center shooting was with an "AR 15 style weapon" purchased the same day as the shooting. Getting to be a real thing.
 
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