Do you know how incompetent FEMA is? Even if they're only a few dozen something new will be needed that's better than the FEMA camps.
There are only a few dozen. Plenty of room for them. Just make sure the places they are taken have showers, they will definately be needed.
Do you know how incompetent FEMA is? Even if they're only a few dozen something new will be needed that's better than the FEMA camps.
Sigh. Section B makes assertions as to guilt prior to indictment or trial for covered persons who can be locked up indefinitely w/o trial by the military because the mere assertion of guilt is sufficient to lock them up indefinitely w/o trial...
Ever read Catch-22?
Which makes you different from those here illegally. They do not follow the law.
You really give the Constitution a LOT more power than it actually has. It is an amazing document, but it does not spell out every single thing, and it is not as protecting as you claim it to be.
Irrelevant. Criminals break the law all the time, doesn't give the police free reign to ignore the law.
I guess I should have spelled it out, but I was talking about the amendments Jhnnn pointed out to you. If you are in the US, you can't be locked up forever, legal alien, illegal alien, or citizen. That is pretty clear. They get all the same rights and protections as you do in the US, regarding arrests and criminal trials. Do you really think they shouldn't?
Don't know why you feel that illegal aliens should not have any rights.
The US Surpreme Court already said that all US Citizens have the right to put forth a writ of habeas corpus. This law cannot override the US Supreme Court's constitutional ruling.
Sorry to burst the bubble of those who claim it will...well, not really. I happy proclaim the US Supreme Court's ruling will not vanish due to this law.
The US Surpreme Court already said that all US Citizens have the right to put forth a writ of habeas corpus. This law cannot override the US Supreme Court's constitutional ruling.
Sorry to burst the bubble of those who claim it will...well, not really. I happy proclaim the US Supreme Court's ruling will not vanish due to this law.
Sounds peachy & all, except that once you're locked up it might take 10 years to get out given the way the system works. Or, after 5-7 years, you take a plea amounting to time served so you can get out, which just gives them license to keep on doing the same thing to others. Once you take a plea, the rest of it falls to the wayside with no legal precedents established at all, other than defining what the authorities can get away with. They don't have to make a case at all.
It's all just right wing ideologues grandstanding, pandering to fear & loathing, giving their rabid base another dose of outrage to satisfy the addiction... both the junkies and the pushers will be back, addiction being what it is...
Sounds peachy & all, except that once you're locked up it might take 10 years to get out given the way the system works. Or, after 5-7 years, you take a plea amounting to time served so you can get out, which just gives them license to keep on doing the same thing to others. Once you take a plea, the rest of it falls to the wayside with no legal precedents established at all, other than defining what the authorities can get away with. They don't have to make a case at all.
It's all just right wing ideologues grandstanding, pandering to fear & loathing, giving their rabid base another dose of outrage to satisfy the addiction... both the junkies and the pushers will be back, addiction being what it is...
Except that you can put in a writ of habeus corpus much, much sooner than that. Even the most nortorious case, Padilla, was only held for 3.5 years and he was the test case. Test cases are always more drawn out due to the novelty of the issue. Now that precident is set, all others will be far faster if they even happen at all. I doubt they will happen at all, since the government knows it will lose due to precident being set.
New law, so everything starts over from square one.
And the govt doesn't care if they lose in the end, because your junkie ass has been in lockdown the whole time, naked, in a sensory deprivation cell designed to break your spirit & drive you crazy, a la Bradley Manning. 18 months into it, and he still hasn't been put on trial.
Witness the other military detention going on- Gitmo. Those guys have been held for nearly 10 years, and I doubt that the govt could make a case against the vast majority even in a kangaroo court. If they could, they would have by now.
Gotta save face, no matter what. Can't just admit that the whole thing was set up for domestic political posturing, a sop to the propagandized population convincing us that the Bush Admin was Tough on Terrarists! and that there really was one under every bed in the whole world, snuggled up next to the boogeyman.
They are not US Citizens. Of course, Bush tried to use tribunals to release as many as possible prior, but the court system struck him down each time.
That's soooo lame. The vast majority of detainees have been released or transferred to their home countries w/o facing a tribunal. They can be released at any time, at the whim of the POTUS.
The reason the Bushistas didn't proceed with tribunals is that they wanted convictions, not releases, and making that happen would have made any proceedings a transparent sham. A fair trial always includes the possibility of the defendant being found not guilty, and they weren't prepared to accept that. Better to make promises & obfuscate, keep on keepin' on.
To his shame, Obama has done just that himself.
Who is ignoring the law, other then the illegal aliens? And if you claim the police are ignoring the law, what law are they ignoring?
Because they are not supposed to be here. Why do you feel that illegals should have all the rights of those here legally?
The exclusion on Section 1032 only applies to 1032. It doesnt apply to 1031, he says. And that only makes it worse, because any judge is going to say, Of course, members of Congress meant for American citizens to be detained because if they didnt, they would have put in the exception they put in one section later.
Anders is troubled by an additional aspect of Section 1031the part that mentions transferring someone to the custody or control of the person's country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.
The implication, says Anders, is that if youre an American citizen and were born somewhere else, you can be sent to the country where you were born, which you fled, which is out to persecute you.
Id like to add that the way the clause is constructednote the use of the conjunction or--it could mean that even a person born in the United States could be sent overseas. And what, may I ask, is a foreign entity? Would that include Erik Princes new mercenary company in Abu Dhabi?
You said illegals were breaking laws, which I said was irrelevant. Learn to read, or is that too hard for a troll? I pointed out that the police do not get to break the law even when criminals do.
Can you read? As I clarified, and you of course ignored, everyone in the US gets "due process". Have you ever read the Bill of rights? Do you see anything in the first seven amendments that says "US citizens only"? I sure don't. They apply to EVERYONE in the US equally. Do you really deny that too?
So again, why do you feel free to ignore the basic laws of this country?
The ACLU has questions about what this really means.
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From the article:
They are worried that the law says locking up a US citizen isn't REQUIRED, which isn't the same thing as it isn't ALLOWED.
They show quotes from both Graham and McCain both stating that in their opinion, US citizens should be allowed to be help by the military.
Also, in another section, the wording is (intentionally?) vague:
So the Dems will vote against this as a whole and Obama will veto it?
If they pick up the rabid Republicans in here I'm all for it. :thumbsup: