Indefinite Military Detention in America

[woolfe9999]

On National Defense Authorization Act, Obama pulls veto threat
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under...pulls-veto-threat-on-defense-bill-107514.html

This article says that the detention provisions have been "watered down." I'd like to see the new version of it, but it doesn't seem to be anywhere online as of yet.

Edit: what I'm getting in bits and pieces, including from Wiki, is that the Act was amended to say that it ads no new detention authority that isn't already permitted under existing law. Apparently, there is a debate as to whether legislation passed after 911 already conferred this authority. This current bill is now worded in such a way as to simply not resolve that debate. Accordingly, the longstanding issue is simply being punted, and the SCOTUS will have to decide it at some point in time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...t_for_Fiscal_Year_2012#cite_note-csmonitor1-3

A later amendment to preserve current law concerning U.S. citizens, lawful resident aliens, and others captured within the United States, sponsored by Senator Dianne Feinstein, was accepted 99 to 1[citation needed]. Senator Feinstein has argued that current law does not allow the indefinite detention of American citizens, while the Obama Administration, Senators Carl Levin, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Mike Lee, Rand Paul and others like Congressional Representatives Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul and Justin Amash have argued that it does.

 

[cybrsage]

I appreciate that you may suggest I'm pro obamacare without me posting anything of the sort... but any legislation that is TLDR needs to be broken way down.

Nah, just putting it into perspective. It is a huge piece of legislation because it covers paying for the military's needs over the entire planet. Breaking it into small bills would cause horrible confusion.

 

[cybrsage]

Why does the length of legislation matter as to its merit?

His, point (I believe), is that the longer the bill the easier it is to hide things in it that have nothing to do with the main reason for the bill.

If we shorten bills, these items will be far easier to spot.

 

[SilthDraeth]

His, point (I believe), is that the longer the bill the easier it is to hide things in it that have nothing to do with the main reason for the bill.

If we shorten bills, these items will be far easier to spot.

Exactly. It goes like this...

Bill: No using cell phone while driving.

If you are operating a motor vehicle on public access you can not use your cell phone.
We will build an oil pipeline from Canada to Mexico.
You also can not use your cell phone if you are operating a train, plane, boat, bus, or any type of machinery that is in motion.


See how easy that pipeline was to spot? Now imagine if they put that one pipeline sentence in between 900 pages of bullshit.

 

[Jaskalas]

From Drudge:

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COMING SOON: AMERICANS IN GITMO...

Bill allows indefinite detention without trial...

Obama 'demanded law apply to U.S. citizens'...

Even Al Jazeera asks: 'How did we get here?'

McCain is pushing it, Obama demanded it. This is why I voted for neither man in 2008. They are both traitors who believe the government is supreme to the people. Fascists are the electable men who win both parties’ nominations. Bush should have proven that to everyone.

The Patriot Act, this new bill, where does it end? At what point do these fascists finish responding against the American people for what some dirt rats on the other side of the planet did to us one day 10 years ago?

The point is it NEVER ends. These men will not be satisfied until all freedom and liberties are abolished in the United States. Republican or Democrat they must be opposed. Anyone supporting bills like this MUST be removed from office.

Living in the same country as this shit will not be tolerated.

 

[Spikesoldier]

If a legislator is sitting down and reading laws like this, they are not doing their job. That is the entire reason they have a staff. Does the CEO of a company sit down and read through every page of every manual? Of course not. They have better things to do, and they pay people to do exactly that.

um ever since Sarbanes-Oxley was put into place CEO's are personally responsible for any cooking of the books and therefore read all the financial reports and must sign it acknowledging the accuracy of such.

you would figure our politicians would have this same personal responsibility, but if they pass a bad law, its not their ass on the line.

 

[Franz316]

From Drudge:


McCain is pushing it, Obama demanded it. This is why I voted for neither man in 2008. They are both traitors who believe the government is supreme to the people. Fascists are the electable men who win both parties’ nominations. Bush should have proven that to everyone.

The Patriot Act, this new bill, where does it end?

Apparently drones flying overhead is next. Now they can define whatever they want under the term 'terrorist' and take people away? I swear in five years we will be in a full militaristic state with an 11pm curfew and armed guards in the streets. They must think that some civil unrest is coming...