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Darwin333

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The Oil Thugs just raised the price 80% on themselves from 24 cents a litre to 96 cents.

12-29-2015

http://news.yahoo.com/stung-low-oil-prices-saudi-makes-unprecedented-cuts-002732393.html

Long accustomed to cheap utilities and some of the lowest petrol prices in the world, Saudis woke to a shock Tuesday

Residents of the oil-rich Gulf kingdom have long enjoyed cheap prices on basic goods and services, but officials made clear that was no longer sustainable after the stunning drop in crude prices over the last 18 months.

Prices on fuel products were raised by up to 80 percent as of midnight, including a 50 percent jump in the price of the most commonly sold petrol to 0.90 riyals ($0.24) per litre.

So.... the Saudi's where already paying more per gallon than I currently am and now they are paying even more? Interesting but doesn't really ping my give-a-fuck-o'meter
 

Meghan54

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Oct 18, 2009
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So.... the Saudi's where already paying more per gallon than I currently am and now they are paying even more? Interesting but doesn't really ping my give-a-fuck-o'meter


While I do agree with the sentiment, Dave, as usual, got the figures all wrong......again.


The Saudis raised the price of gas, that's true. The most commonly purchased type of gas, regular, rose in price by 50%, to .24/gal. The .90 Dave saw was the price in riyals, not U.S. dollars.

Here's the part Dave used to generate his bogus figures:

Prices on fuel products were raised by up to 80 percent as of midnight, including a 50 percent jump in the price of the most commonly sold petrol to 0.90 riyals ($0.24) per litre.


Nowhere does it say gas was raised in price from $0.24/gal to $0.90/gal. Nowhere. It says the price of regular rose to $0.24/gal.
 

MrPickins

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May 24, 2003
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While I do agree with the sentiment, Dave, as usual, got the figures all wrong......again.


The Saudis raised the price of gas, that's true. The most commonly purchased type of gas, regular, rose in price by 50%, to .24/gal. The .90 Dave saw was the price in riyals, not U.S. dollars.

Here's the part Dave used to generate his bogus figures:




Nowhere does it say gas was raised in price from $0.24/gal to $0.90/gal. Nowhere. It says the price of regular rose to $0.24/gal.

* $0.24/L, or ~$0.91/gal
 

nickqt

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Jan 15, 2015
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Oil dropped back to $33 and gas dropped a whole whopping 2 cents to $1.97

The oil thug supporters in here will rejoice and go even more insane than they already are.

Gas is at $1.89 right down the street from me, in Atlanta. I'm going to guess that in rural Alabama along 85/65, that it's probably rockin' about $1.65 or thereabouts.

Oh, how I love the OilThugs™, artificially propping up the price of oil because, uh, something or other. And, like, things and stuff.

#Please,ProceedDmcowen674
 

Z15CAM

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Americans are pointing at $2 a gallon whereas we Canadians or looking at a minimum of $1.20 a liter which equals $4.54 an US Gallon - What a Joke.
 
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Meghan54

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Oct 18, 2009
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Well, we all know Goldman Sachs has been predicting $20/bbl oil for a while.....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-for-goldman-as-forecasts-cut-on-growing-glut



Now, Morgan Stanley has joined in on a $20/bbl prediction.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...llar20-by-morgan-stanley/ar-CCnw7Y?li=BBnb7Kv


A rapid appreciation of the U.S. dollar may send Brent oil to as low as $20 a barrel, according to Morgan Stanley.

Oil is particularly leveraged to the dollar and may fall between 10 to 25 percent if the currency gains 5 percent, Morgan Stanley analysts including Adam Longson said in a research note dated Jan. 11. A global glut may have pushed oil prices under $60 a barrel, but the difference between $35 and $55 is primarily the U.S. dollar, according to the report.

“Given the continued U.S. dollar appreciation, $20-$25 oil price scenarios are possible simply due to currency,” the analysts wrote in the report. “The U.S. dollar and non- fundamental factors continue to drive oil prices.”

Morgan Stanley is not the first to forecast a drop to $20 oil, but its reasons differ from other banks. Goldman Sachs Group Inc. has said there’s a possibility storage tanks will reach their limit, pushing crude down to levels necessary to force an immediate halt to some production.


Stockpiles at Cushing, Oklahoma, the delivery point for U.S. benchmark crude and the nation’s biggest oil-storage hub, expanded for a ninth week to 63.9 million barrels through Jan. 1, according to Energy Information Administration data. The hub has a working capacity of 73 million barrels.
 
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Filled up for $1.39/gal at Cosco last night (<$20 total !!!). Also saw gas for $1.47 at a retail station on the way into work this morning.
 

allisolm

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(1/07/16) When got back to Indy local stations were $1.89, tonight they jumped to $1.99

Going back up up and awayyyyyyyy

Looks like Dave's up, up and away turned out to be down, down and down. Avg Indianapolis price dropped straight down from $1.95 on 1/06 to $1.79 $1.75 1/13/16 and some of the stations in his neck of the woods are in the $1.6x range. Sure don't have anything nearly that low in Tallahassee. Avg here is $1.97.
 
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dmcowen674

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Looks like Dave's up, up and away turned out to be down, down and down. Avg Indianapolis price dropped straight down from $1.95 on 1/06 to $1.79 today and some of the stations in his neck of the woods are in the $1.6x range. Sure don't have anything nearly that low in Tallahassee. Avg here in $1.97.

Enjoy the sub $2 while you can because you know they will say there is no oil as they do every spring.
 

dmcowen674

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Meghan54

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO04VXBIS0M


Gas 53 cents - remember this when it's back up through the roof in a couple of months:

1-17-2016

http://www.9and10news.com/story/30988075/houghton-lake-gas-prices-drop-below-one-dollar

Houghton Lake Michigan Gas Prices Drop Below One Dollar

Gasbuddy.com is now reporting gas is at $0.53 per gallon at the Beacon & Bridge Market

The low prices makes Michigan the first state to see gas below $1 per gallon in years.


Oh yeah, don't forget about this part of the article you linked:

The price is due in part to a price war. Two stations close by are selling regular for $.95 a gallon.
 
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werepossum

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well that's because US dollars are worth 2 canadian dollars
There's a Cruz joke in there somewhere.

Gas 53 cents - remember this when it's back up through the roof in a couple of months:

1-17-2016

http://www.9and10news.com/story/30988075/houghton-lake-gas-prices-drop-below-one-dollar

Houghton Lake Michigan Gas Prices Drop Below One Dollar

Gasbuddy.com is now reporting gas is at $0.53 per gallon at the Beacon & Bridge Market

The low prices makes Michigan the first state to see gas below $1 per gallon in years.
Holy crap!

I drove past $1.549 today. No price war, just cheap gas. I'm conflicted - when gas is cheap we drive more and buy bigger/less efficient vehicles and thus pollute more, but it sure is great for the economy.
 

dmcowen674

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Oil down to $27 today

It's not a matter of will it go back up, only a matter of when and dumb Americans will believe the excuses yet again.

1-20-2016

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-weve-130036081.html

Oil: We've Been Here Before

Last week the price of oil broke below $30 a barrel (figures in U.S. currency) and stock markets tumbled. Now some analysts are saying a retreat to the $20 level is a real possibility as none of the major producers shows signs of reducing output.

A few are even more pessimistic. Standard Chartered, an international banking group based in London, predicted last week that oil wouldn't bottom out until it reaches the $10 a barrel range, a level not seen since 1998.

In response to the continuing rout, oil companies are once again slashing capital budgets and trimming jobs. BP announced last week it would cut its global workforce by 5%, or 4,000 positions. Today Shell announced it is slashing 10,000 jobs.

It all sounds terribly grim and the deep dive in the markets has left investors fearful of worse to come. And we're not likely to see any immediate relief. But as far as oil is concerned, don't lose sight of the fact that we've been here before and managed to survive. In fact, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), the price of West Texas Intermediate (WTI) oil has fallen by at least 50% on five occasions since 1986. This is nothing new.

After the energy depression of 1997-98, the price remained stuck in the $20 to $30 a barrel range for several years. It only began to move sharply higher in late 2004. At that point, with demand from China growing exponentially, it rocketed all the way to $147 before the financial crisis of 2008 sent it tumbling back down to around $40.

Clearly, at current price levels many companies are facing operating losses. How long this can go on is anyone's guess but analysts (and bankers) are going to be keeping a close watch on fourth-quarter and year-end financial reports in the coming weeks. AlixPartners, a consulting company, estimates that North American producers are losing about $2 billion per week at current prices.
 

realibrad

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Oct 18, 2013
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Oil down to $27 today

It's not a matter of will it go back up, only a matter of when and dumb Americans will believe the excuses yet again.

1-20-2016

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-weve-130036081.html

Oil: We've Been Here Before

Last week the price of oil broke below $30 a barrel (figures in U.S. currency) and stock markets tumbled. Now some analysts are saying a retreat to the $20 level is a real possibility as none of the major producers shows signs of reducing output.

A few are even more pessimistic. Standard Chartered, an international banking group based in London, predicted last week that oil wouldn't bottom out until it reaches the $10 a barrel range, a level not seen since 1998.

In response to the continuing rout, oil companies are once again slashing capital budgets and trimming jobs. BP announced last week it would cut its global workforce by 5%, or 4,000 positions. Today Shell announced it is slashing 10,000 jobs.

It all sounds terribly grim and the deep dive in the markets has left investors fearful of worse to come. And we're not likely to see any immediate relief. But as far as oil is concerned, don't lose sight of the fact that we've been here before and managed to survive. In fact, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), the price of West Texas Intermediate (WTI) oil has fallen by at least 50% on five occasions since 1986. This is nothing new.

After the energy depression of 1997-98, the price remained stuck in the $20 to $30 a barrel range for several years. It only began to move sharply higher in late 2004. At that point, with demand from China growing exponentially, it rocketed all the way to $147 before the financial crisis of 2008 sent it tumbling back down to around $40.

Clearly, at current price levels many companies are facing operating losses. How long this can go on is anyone's guess but analysts (and bankers) are going to be keeping a close watch on fourth-quarter and year-end financial reports in the coming weeks. AlixPartners, a consulting company, estimates that North American producers are losing about $2 billion per week at current prices.

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So, what will make the price go up?
 
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