I'm sorry, but the notion of forcing Jewish bakers to bake goods featuring Nazi symbolisms, if such a customer comes into their business, is horrible. Business owners should have the freedom to express their conscience regarding how they do business, and with whom.
If I'm looking for a job, my business is open to the public. I'm seeking customers who will purchase goods I can provide: my labor. Do I now have to accept the first job offer that comes my way?
The answer is no. People shouldn't be forced to participate in an exchange of goods, whatever their motivation.
This has already been addressed multiple times. Why do people jump into a thread without actually reading it?
Because I have a life and don't have time to read every bloody post. And my opinion is just a valid as yours.
If you goal is to improve this country, then you need to ask yourself why there are rules, and how they actually work out.
If your goal is to end discrimination, will telling people they cant for x reason but not y really do much?
Look at chick fil a. The head of the company does not like gay people. Do you think that the company sells to gay people because they have to, or because they want to make money?
Serious question as I honestly don't know the answer to this. Has the owner of chic-fil-a gone on record as saying he doesn't like gays or is it merely that he doesn't approve to the practice of homosexuality? To the best of my knowledge he's not like those diseased freaks at westboro baptist.
There is a distinction that it seems fewer and fewer people grasp, that there is a difference (or there should be) between approving of someone's actions / lifestyle and accepting them. To this day, one of the greatest compliments ever given to me was by one of my college roommates, way too many years ago. He told me that he knew that he did things that I didn't approve of, but he knew without any doubt that I still accepted him and that meant a great deal to him. I've tried to live up to that compliment ever since.
And a business is happy over the new law and says they will not cater to gays and this law protects them...
RFRA: First Michiana business to publicly deny same-sex service
http://www.abc57.com/story/28681598/rfra-first-business-to-publicly-deny-same-sex-service
If you search their name in google it comes up with gaybearfinder.com as their website. That and yelp reviews are of course coming in full force.
Serious question as I honestly don't know the answer to this. Has the owner of chic-fil-a gone on record as saying he doesn't like gays or is it merely that he doesn't approve to the practice of homosexuality? To the best of my knowledge he's not like those diseased freaks at westboro baptist.
There is a distinction that it seems fewer and fewer people grasp, that there is a difference (or there should be) between approving of someone's actions / lifestyle and accepting them. To this day, one of the greatest compliments ever given to me was by one of my college roommates, way too many years ago. He told me that he knew that he did things that I didn't approve of, but he knew without any doubt that I still accepted him and that meant a great deal to him. I've tried to live up to that compliment ever since.
A person does not practice homosexuality. It is not a musical instrument. Do you practice hetrosexuality?
And a business is happy over the new law and says they will not cater to gays and this law protects them...
RFRA: First Michiana business to publicly deny same-sex service
http://www.abc57.com/story/28681598/rfra-first-business-to-publicly-deny-same-sex-service
If you search their name in google it comes up with gaybearfinder.com as their website. That and yelp reviews are of course coming in full force.
Businesses in Indiana are placing signs in their front windows "We serve everyone" Like it.
Also heard interview with a woman who owns a pizza shop saying she would refuse selling pizzas to a gay couple for wedding. Took guts to answer.
A good follow-up question if a hetero couple wanted the same would she ask if they engaged in premarital sex? If they said yes would she refuse the sale?
Just thought of another one, what if a gay couple before wedding did not engage in premarital sex? Does she sell? See where I'm going.
Strong sales look likely to continue for some time. The company opened 96 new outposts in 2012, after opening 92 in 2011
And a business is happy over the new law and says they will not cater to gays and this law protects them...
RFRA: First Michiana business to publicly deny same-sex service
http://www.abc57.com/story/28681598/rfra-first-business-to-publicly-deny-same-sex-service
If you search their name in google it comes up with gaybearfinder.com as their website. That and yelp reviews are of course coming in full force.
A better question is if we can force gay bakers to bake cakes for the Westboro Baptist Church.
Hey, you said that people shouldn't be forced into economic exchanges. Let's follow that logic. Are you against requiring insurance? Against requiring buildings to be kept up? Those are all forced exchanges.
Additionally, Jewish bakers could not be forced to make things with swastikas on them. This was covered earlier.
if you open your business to the public you must serve the public.
Business owners have every freedom to express their conscience regarding how they do business and with whom. There are tons of businesses that are not open to the public. If you make the personal choice to create a business that is open to the public though, with that comes a set of consequences you accept. If you don't want to accept them, don't do it.
Your business is not in fact open to the public when you're looking for a job. That's simply not the definition of the term.
Serious question as I honestly don't know the answer to this. Has the owner of chic-fil-a gone on record as saying he doesn't like gays or is it merely that he doesn't approve to the practice of homosexuality? To the best of my knowledge he's not like those diseased freaks at westboro baptist.
Tolerance goes both ways. No matter how distasteful or awful the WBC or its teachings are, if they went into a bakery owned by gay folks and wanted a cake, the gay folks should comply (unless the WBC folks are behaving in such a way that you could legitimately have them removed from your store).
No, they shouldn't. That's not tolerance. That's unreasonable coercion. You shouldn't be forced to trade with someone who hates your guts.
No, they shouldn't. That's not tolerance. That's unreasonable coercion. You shouldn't be forced to trade with someone who hates your guts.
No, I'm not against the government enforcing certain codes to uphold standards.
And earlier, you also posted this:
So evidently, it's really "you must serve the public, unless..."
Then that explicitly contradicts what you said above. There are exceptions to this by your own reasoning, in that companies cannot be forced to be part of a message.
How not? I'm promoting my service to anyone who wants it.
As long as they pay for your services, why do you care what they think about you?
Because if I were a black person, it would personally offend me to facilitate in any way the lifestyle of a klansman.