Indiana's 'Religious Freedom Bill'

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pcgeek11

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The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
 

zinfamous

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The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

lol.

you idiots always suck at the Constitution.

holy shit--who the fuck taught you how to read?
 

schmuckley

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lol.

you idiots always suck at the Constitution.

holy shit--who the fuck taught you how to read?

That seems pretty straightforward to me.

What part of "Impeding the free exercise of religion"
don't you get? :whiste:
If someone's homosexuality is interfering with someone's free exercise of religion,guess who loses?

That's right.There's nothing in law or the Constitution that says you have the right to impose your gayness on people.

duh.
Here..watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reNY3qAtiDw
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Good lord this moron just won't stop!

Now he's telling us that a gay person who patrons a business is, "imposing their gayness"? Sure I guess, if you are so fucking mentally unstable that when you see something you have to then become/act like that person.

And there are laws against businesses discriminating against broad swaths of people.

Thanks again for showing us your ignorance, we now know we can safely ignore your posts as they just contain nonsense.
 

schmuckley

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Good lord this moron just won't stop!

Now he's telling us that a gay person who patrons a business is, "imposing their gayness"? Sure I guess, if you are so fucking mentally unstable that when you see something you have to then become/act like that person.

And there are laws against businesses discriminating against broad swaths of people.

Thanks again for showing us your ignorance, we now know we can safely ignore your posts as they just contain nonsense.


What?
You sure are reaching there, Mr.
Back some of that up with proof,pls.

a)It's OK for a gay person to patronize a business.
b)It's not OK for a gay person to ask for special concessions from a business because of their homosexuality.
c)It's not OK for a person to ask for special concessions from a business that infringe on the business's religious liberty.

Keep going..
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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What?
You sure are reaching there, Mr.
Back some of that up with proof,pls.

a)It's OK for a gay person to patronize a business.
b)It's not OK for a gay person to ask for special concessions from a business because of their homosexuality.
c)It's not OK for a person to ask for special concessions from a business that infringe on the business's religious liberty.

Keep going..

No ones asking for special concessions dumb ass!


Are you drunk?
 

schmuckley

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Look "Dumb ass"
You have not provided proof of anything;all you do is insult and deflect..
weak.
Bye.
 

pcgeek11

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lol.

you idiots always suck at the Constitution.

holy shit--who the fuck taught you how to read?

Your mother. I'm shocked that the didn't teach you how. It is fairly straight forward.
 
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Blackjack200

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Oops, Jeb is starting to backtrack.

(CNN)—Two days after he unequivocally backed Indiana's controversial "religious freedom" law as not "discriminatory at all," former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Wednesday at a private Silicon Valley fundraiser that Indiana could have taken a "better...more consensus-oriented approach."

"By the end of the week, Indiana will be in the right place," Bush said. Indiana lawmakers and Republican Gov. Mike Pence are working to "fix" the law following a nationwide backlash, especially from top businesses.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/politics/jeb-bush-religious-freedom-law/

I'd call him a snake, but I believe snakes have spines.
 

realibrad

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That seems pretty straightforward to me.

What part of "Impeding the free exercise of religion"
don't you get? :whiste:
If someone's homosexuality is interfering with someone's free exercise of religion,guess who loses?

That's right.There's nothing in law or the Constitution that says you have the right to impose your gayness on people.

duh.
Here..watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reNY3qAtiDw

There are now 15 pages, so I can see how you missed my post on this.

Reynolds v. United States

The Court investigated the history of religious freedom in the United States and quoted a letter from Thomas Jefferson in which he wrote that there was a distinction between religious belief and action that flowed from religious belief. The former "lies solely between man and his God," therefore "the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions." The court considered that if polygamy was allowed, someone might eventually argue that human sacrifice was a necessary part of their religion, and "to permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself." The Court believed the First Amendment forbade Congress from legislating against opinion, but allowed it to legislate against action.

You can express your views, but once that expression is done through actions other than speech, you are limited. You can debate on the morality, but not on the legality.

Dont be dumbasses and pretend like its clear and easy.
 

schmuckley

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There are now 15 pages, so I can see how you missed my post on this.

Reynolds v. United States



You can express your views, but once that expression is done through actions other than speech, you are limited. You can debate on the morality, but not on the legality.

Dont be dumbasses and pretend like its clear and easy.

It IS clear and easy.
Just because you would make it complicated in order to obfuscate the truth in order to skew interpretation into something other than what it is..
does not make it that way.
 

HomerJS

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schmuckley

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Here is an interview that shows why the "religious freedom" argument is bogus

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/04...eedom-bill.cnn

Woman towards the end of video will not serve gay couples but will server adulterers.

Her response "gay is a different kind of sin and I don't believe in it"

From what I recall all sin is equal in the eyes of God except for one.

Righties are being bigots and hiding behind religion
Dead link;What was the context?
Link not fixed.
Just state in what context she refused service,please.
 
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SMOGZINN

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It IS clear and easy.
Just because you would make it complicated in order to obfuscate the truth in order to skew interpretation into something other than what it is..
does not make it that way.

I think that most would agree that Same Sex Marriage is a religious practice. By refusing to sell them a cake they are infringing on their religious belifes.
This arguments makes exactly the same amount of sence as yours.
 

fskimospy

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It IS clear and easy.
Just because you would make it complicated in order to obfuscate the truth in order to skew interpretation into something other than what it is..
does not make it that way.

Haha. "Don't confuse me with the law, I know how things are supposed to work!"

Every person who has tried the legal argument you're using has lost.
 

thraashman

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That seems pretty straightforward to me.

What part of "Impeding the free exercise of religion"
don't you get? :whiste:
If someone's homosexuality is interfering with someone's free exercise of religion,guess who loses?

That's right.There's nothing in law or the Constitution that says you have the right to impose your gayness on people.

duh.
Here..watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reNY3qAtiDw

The Amendments aren't absolute for exactly the reason of people like you. If we were to interpret the Bill of Rights as absolute the way you're trying to then I could own a nuke because of the Right to Bear Arms and a Muslim could commit an honor killing without consequence.
 

realibrad

Lifer
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It IS clear and easy.
Just because you would make it complicated in order to obfuscate the truth in order to skew interpretation into something other than what it is..
does not make it that way.

The rule of law does not work that way in this country. The Supreme Court has ruled that religious of expression is limited when it with civil rights.

If you honestly believe the law was written that "Impeding the free exercise of religion" means a person can do anything they want so long as its done in the name of religion, you are wrong and dumb. Not a single rational person believes in the full implications of that.
 
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