Indictments coming...

[sactoking]

My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the majority would vote to convict, there is at least one holdout, and the majority is trying to define the holdout's doubt as unreasonable.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

What are your thoughts on the jury needing to define reasonable doubt given some of the theatrics by the judge throughout the trial?

It’s not great.

However, it’s not an uncommon question for a jury to ask.

They could be making sure they get the conviction right. They need some reassurance they aren’t wrongfully sending a man to jail. It’s a big deal that they will have to live with the rest of their lives.

 

[interchange]

Remember that there are multiple counts, so they might be uncertain about some of them and not others.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

What are your thoughts on the jury needing to define reasonable doubt given some of the theatrics by the judge throughout the trial?

Meh. The jury in the Cosby trial also asked to define reasonable doubt and many speculated it meant a mistrial.

It didn’t end well for Billy in the end but did result in a mistrial. I’d say one or two are struggling with a guilty verdict. If it were the other way around the question would probably not arise.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Meh. The jury in the Cosby trial also asked to define reasonable doubt and many speculated it meant a mistrial.

It didn’t end well for Billy in the end but did result in a mistrial. I’d say one or two are struggling with a guilty verdict. If it were the other way around the question would probably not arise.

True, but there weren’t broader political implications to the Cosby trial that even the most honest of jurors would struggle to filter in their decision making.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Regarding the reasonable doubt clarification. I was on a jury and one woman kept thinking beyond a reasonable doubt = absolute proof.
The trial was a long time ago but I remember us (the jury) asking the Judge to define beyond a reasonable doubt for us to get her onboard.
I forgot how he defined it but it wasn’t you need to be on camera for it to beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[sactoking]

I was on a jury and one woman kept thinking beyond a reasonable doubt = absolute proof.

I think this is a not uncommon misconception about what the standard of proof to convict is.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Manafort only needs to be convicted on ONE count for it to be a win for Mueller and a loss for Team Treason.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I think this is a not uncommon misconception about what the standard of proof to convict is.

If memory serves me right the judge seemed to expect to have questions regarding reasonable doubt. Felt like it was a regular occurrence
This was almost 30 years ago

 

[Jhhnn]

It would require a very strange twist of fate for Manafort to ever see daylight again other than thru executive clemency. This jury might fail to reach a verdict on some of the charges but that won't invalidate conviction on the rest. Other than that, only jury nullification can save him.

And there's more to come next month.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Current odds

https://www.predictit.org/Market/46...aul-Manafort-be-convicted-on-by-year-end-2018

 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

New note has been delivered to the judge.

Awaiting update

 

[MomentsofSanity]

AP Politics‏Verified account @AP_Politics
BREAKING: Judge in Manafort trial says he's received threats, won't reveal jurors' names over fears for their safety

11:23 AM - 17 Aug 2018

 

[vi edit]

New note has been delivered to the judge.

Awaiting update

Lol. One of the jurors wanted an early dismissal.

 

[sactoking]

Must have a hot date tonight.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Looks like no verdict today.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Lol. One of the jurors wanted an early dismissal.

Maybe they thought it was Wednesday?

 

[UNCjigga]

Must have a hot date tonight.

Juror: Hey, it's not every day I get propositioned by a hot, Eastern European bombshell model with a sexy accent!

Everyone else:

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Juror: Hey, it's not every day I get propositioned by a hot, Eastern European bombshell model with a sexy accent!

Everyone else:

What if it's Conway?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What if it's Conway?

I’d hit it it, job stress is making her age but I stand by Kelly Ann is age appropriate hot.

 

[zzyzxroad]

I’d hit it it, job stress is making her age but I stand by Kelly Ann is age appropriate hot.

Meth is a hell of a drug. Oh and you have poor taste.

 

[Younigue]

I’d hit it it, job stress is making her age but I stand by Kelly Ann is age appropriate hot.

Geezuz she not only looks ragged but also used up. I question your taste Meat. It's not your libido that gags me.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Geezuz she not only looks ragged but also used up. I question your taste Meat. It's not your libido that gags me.

Oops I thought she was 60, not 51
Still think she looks better than average for her age

 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

More noise coming from Mrs Papadopoulos on Twitter and the media.

I’m not sure what to make of this shit other than the legal bills are mounting.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

More noise coming from Mrs Papadopoulos on Twitter and the media.

I’m not sure what to make of this shit other than the legal bills are mounting.

She should do some Cuck videos with George sitting around watching. Definitely make money and absolutely appropriate for how the campaign was run.